Originally Posted By: HTSS_TR
No, I don't have selective memory.
Yes. you do. And you will contort/distort the facts to suit your anti Euro-marque agenda. We've been down this road SEVERAL times now.
Originally Posted By: HTSS_TR
Compare similar size and equipment such as BMW 5 series with Honda Accord(they are similar in size). The cheapest BMW 5-series costs a lot more than Accord. Same for BMW 3-series with Civic(they are similar in size).
And you just demonstrated what I mentioned above. The 3-series is Accord territory, the 5'er is not. The 2-series is perhaps Civic territory but I'd argue that's more for the 1-series. Honda doesn't make a car to compete with the 5-series, let alone the M5. It is a larger sedan than the Accord.
Originally Posted By: HTSS_TR
What is wrong with $3x,xxx BMW 3-series with the worst headlight system of all 81 cars tested ? While the cheapest Honda Accord sedan that cost more than $10,000 cheaper with standard halogen headlight rated as Acceptable.
And the more expensive Honda Accord with the "better" headlights rated worse. You omitted that part, must have accidentally forgot it because agenda got in the way eh?
I don't know what is "wrong" with BMW's entry-level 3-series that their Halogen lights suck. We've been over this, they suck, they just do. You whining about it isn't going to fix it and the odds are BMW isn't going to fix it either because they want you to buy the optional better light package which, unlike Honda's, is actually BETTER.
Originally Posted By: HTSS_TR
This is totally wrong with BMW. You can not advertised your vehicle as "Ultimate Driving Machine" with the worst headlight system, when the cheapest of 81 vehicle in the test is better. And when people were paying thousands dollar for upgrade headlight they only get marginal system, not a "Good" rating as Toyota Prius.
Good God, do you hear yourself? The 3er with the halogens is an ENTRY LEVEL CAR from this marque. No matter how many times you pretend this isn't the case, that doesn't change that fact. Put an M5, M3, M6 or even the higher trim level cars not in the M-series in the hands of a competent driver (though this was more true in the past) and that's where that ADVERTISING SLOGAN came from. The cars were, historically, geared to be driven. That does not mean a frickin' 318i is a bloody M3!!! They are in the same SERIES but they are NOT the same car! You really are having a hard time with wrapping your head around the structure of BMW's lineup for some reason
And NONE of the cars OTHER THAN THE PRIUS got the GOOD rating, so what is your point? Even your beloved Honda didn't get GOOD. Quality headlights on the Prius no more makes it an ultimate driving machine than junk Halogens on an entry-level 3'er make it an M3.
Originally Posted By: HTSS_TR
You can take a poll, nobody will equal Honda, Toyota, Mazda ... to BMW, MB, Audi ... When you are premium brand then provide premium product, inferior products and demand higher price is not acceptable in my book.
Well obviously, since tons of people are out buying BMW's, Audi's and Benz's, they don't give two sweet dumps in the park about what's in your book. In fact the majority of the driving public will never see this study.
In the Euro market, as JHZR2 mentioned, these cars are taxis, rentals...etc your typical low cost sedans. It is the American market that has ascribed prestige to a marque and misunderstands, like you have aptly demonstrated time and time again, the structure of their lineup.
But you have, as per our past discussions, demonstrated a complete unwillingness to entertain viewpoints that are not your own or work to understand something outside your preformed viewpoint so this will, as it has before, fall on deaf ears and you will fain offence and we will continue this the next time around like this discussion never happened. Rinse, repeat.