Edge....best OTC premium synth?

[addyguy]

Alright, to start this, I'm excluding Amsoil from this discussion, as it doesn't really count as an 'OTC' oil...you're 'supposed' to buy it direct from a dealer.

That leaves Mobil 1 EP, Castrol Edge, and Pennzoil 'Ultra' as the newest 'premium' synthetics that are out.

If you look at the interval recommendations on the backs of these three, you'll see that IN CANADA, M1 EP is recommended for 20k KM intervals (12.5k miles) in Canada. In the US, it is recommended for 15k miles intervlas (24k km). Now, the presumption is that the interval is shortened for Canada b/c our climate is much harsher than 'most' of the US, so you need a shorter interval.

Castrol Edge is recommeded for 15k mile (24k km) intervals in BOTH the US and Canada. So Castrol has faith that it's product will survive a 15k inteval, even in harsh conditions.

Pennzoil Ultra, which on paer LOOKS much better than BOTH of these oils, ISN'T even recommended for extended drains! Yes, I know it's about money and increased sales, BUT part of the equation is a comapnies faith in the engineering that went into the product. If SOPUS doesn't have faith that this new, top of the line synth will do at least 12k intervals, what good is it?

Yeah, I know I'm stirring up a hornets nest here, BUT, the blind brand fanaticism for Pennzoil on here is crazy - Edge comes out, and people guffaw "Just another stupid Castrol group III", "Over priced garbage"...etc...but Pennzoil Ultra comes out, and people are hassling WM guys to get it out of the back - and it isn't even given credit by it's creator for being able to do extended drains!!!

Seriously, there is a crazy double-standard here......there were NO threads created by Buster saying that Edge might be the best oil out there right now!

 

[Scienceman]

This will be interesting to see what people think.

 

[Bumpside 427]

Yeah, RP is TOO EXPENSIVE, yet people here are jumping all over each other and WoollyMart managers to get UNPROVEN PU for about 1$ less than RP.
Where are the "it's a waste of money" guys?

Don't get me wrong, I'm one that does spend money on what I believe is great oil(s)
I just find the embedded cheapskates here humorous as well...

 

[tig1]

The M1 EP line does have a lower pour point, and higher flash point than PU. How is PU better than M1 EP on paper?

 

[Johnny]

I can tell you the chemist that designed it have all the faith in the world it can handle 15K and maybe more, it's the marketing departments and the lawyers that decide what is going to be put on the labels. Maybe in time things might change.

 

[D Bone]

I have a large salt shaker next to my lap for when I visit this site.........

 

[Bumpside 427]

Originally Posted By: tig1
The M1 EP line does have a lower pour point, and higher flash point than PU. How is PU better than M1 EP on paper?


You're obviously NOT using the yellow Pennzoil paper pad!

 

[dkryan]

I disagree that it is "...blind fanaticism for Pennzoil on here..."

Most of the positive comments about Platinum are in response to dozens of UOAs that bear witness to the quality of an oil that we can readily purchase for $20-$23US for a five quart jug, as opposed to $7US per quart for Edge.

Time (and hopefully dozens of UOAs) will bear witness as to whether Edge is worth the money.

Castrol certainly recognizes the price hesitation by consumers, hence their recent $15 rebate.

 

[Bill in Utah]

Pennzoil is not going to second guess the people who designed the engine as far as oil change intervals.

They state that their oil EXCEEDS every thing (not meets or exceeds which leaves a lot of question IF it does exceed anything with Mobil and Castrol)

That means mfg ratings (the highly touted HTO-06, GM and API SN)

They state follow the manufactures recommended OCI.

Pretty simple and safe mindset.

If you really "care" about your engine, then would you not want to use a product that EXCEEDS the spec for what the mfg STATES you should run an oil?

Bill

 

[tig1]

Originally Posted By: PurplePride
Originally Posted By: tig1
The M1 EP line does have a lower pour point, and higher flash point than PU. How is PU better than M1 EP on paper?


You're obviously NOT using the yellow Pennzoil paper pad!


What is that?

 

[Bumpside 427]

Not only that, but what company is going to tell people to ignore their owner's manuals?
They can't do that. If they did/do, auto-makers could conceivably have more cause to deny engine repairs if people stopped following the recommended OCIs.
They have to put in a number that the [censored] oil will stand up to, so I seriously doubt you'll ever get any oil maker to tell people to do that.

 

[daman]

There's plenty of UOA's proving that EP can go 15K,so edge the best OTC oil? Pfft.


Originally Posted By: addyguy
there were NO threads created by Buster saying that Edge might be the best oil out there right now!

I'll give that to ya,you can tell when Buster likes a brand of oil,lol

 

[Johnny]

You also have to read the fine print on all these 15K+ oils. Under normal use only. If severe, which most of us do, then the 15K+ goes away.

 

[rclint]

It's also a nice way to debunk Castrol, you will notice how often price is compared, in this instance dkryan has given two different oil market pricing points, one in quarts, this other in cheaper oil change jugs. While Castrol is a more expensive product, local to me the fact is Edge was $34 when it first hit the shelves, now however it is $28 per jug, PP is now $22 per jug local to me, I will in fact many times choose to plunk down $6 for Edge is I'm in the long OCI mood while picking up oil for my next change...choosing the Edge over PP. Edge is a great product, and a good buy as well when price where it seems to be now..from reading this seems to be all over the US.

Just to throw some more fuel on the fire, I chose Mobil 1 EP the last time as of now it seems to be the cheapest choice for long drain (EP) synthetics. Then again I should really just run conventional, my cars manufactures recommended OCI is 7500 miles on conventional...

 

[Billy_D]

Originally Posted By: PurplePride
Yeah, RP is TOO EXPENSIVE, yet people here are jumping all over each other and WoollyMart managers to get UNPROVEN PU for about 1$ less than RP.
Where are the "it's a waste of money" guys?

Don't get me wrong, I'm one that does spend money on what I believe is great oil(s)
I just find the embedded cheapskates here humorous as well...


SOPUS takes good care of their customers. They honor their rebates, their products are priced right, and their PP line performs better than RP . Most of us have seen better UOA with PP than with RP.

To the OP, I think both Mobil 1 ep and Edge are excellent products. I prefer Mobil 1 EP.

 

[addyguy]

Originally Posted By: Johnny
You also have to read the fine print on all these 15K+ oils. Under normal use only. If severe, which most of us do, then the 15K+ goes away.


Very true. Most say that is you do ANY severe driving - ANY trailer towing or stop and go - that the 15k goes away.

From what I can see, the only codition with Edge is 'severe' trailer towing, or 'severe' idling. Not ANY, just 'severe'...whatever that means!

 

[tig1]

The one UOA I did last year on the Focus with a 10K OCI was very good. TBN was almost 4. Metals low, so I know in my application the EP will go well beyond 10K. I just changed oil last week in the Focus with 10,500 miles and it still looked good. The oil drop test looked good as well.

 

[Bill in Utah]

Originally Posted By: tig1
The one UOA I did last year on the Focus with a 10K OCI was very good. TBN was almost 4. Metals low, so I know in my application the EP will go well beyond 10K. I just changed oil last week in the Focus with 10,500 miles and it still looked good. The oil drop test looked good as well.


But in your own words;

Quote:
Also UOAs are not a way to decide what oil to use.


From: this thread

and

Quote:
UOAs are not of much value since each company can vary with the results quite a bit with the same oil.


from: this thread

and I could go on.

So with those thoughts, I guess the UOA you did really does not tell us how your Mobil 1 EP really does.

My point is IF the UOA proves your point (ie promote your cause) they are fine, but if they don't then UOAs are not worth very much and your above comments show this mindset.

You are NOT the only one here that has this mindset but it does seem that Mobil 1 users have it the most.

Just keeping it real.

Bill

 

[Bill in Utah]

Originally Posted By: addyguy
Originally Posted By: Johnny
You also have to read the fine print on all these 15K+ oils. Under normal use only. If severe, which most of us do, then the 15K+ goes away.


Very true. Most say that is you do ANY severe driving - ANY trailer towing or stop and go - that the 15k goes away.

From what I can see, the only codition with Edge is 'severe' trailer towing, or 'severe' idling. Not ANY, just 'severe'...whatever that means!


And when do you find out what "severe" means? When you try to claim on their warranty. That is when they say sorry not covered due to your "severe" service.

Bill

 

[dkryan]

Originally Posted By: rclint
It's also a nice way to debunk Castrol, you will notice how often price is compared, in this instance dkryan has given two different oil market pricing points, one in quarts, this other in cheaper oil change jugs. While Castrol is a more expensive product, local to me the fact is Edge was $34 when it first hit the shelves, now however it is $28 per jug, PP is now $22 per jug local to me, I will in fact many times choose to plunk down $6 for Edge is I'm in the long OCI mood while picking up oil for my next change...choosing the Edge over PP. Edge is a great product, and a good buy as well when price where it seems to be now..from reading this seems to be all over the US.


I didn't use "jugs" versus quarts to debunk Castrol. I simply referred to what is readily available to me in this area and at what price point. I purchase most of my oil at Wal-Mart, Advance, or AutoZone and I've yet to see Edge in the 5-qt jug, let alone for $28.

However, based on their $15 rebate and sale special at Advance, I was more than willing to purchase five quarts of Edge and a Pure One filter for a net cost of $11.50.

If Edge is as good as the green German Castrol I used in my Infiniti, then that's good news for all of us. But with my OCIs at 7-8k miles, it's only a "good buy" to me when it's available for $28 or less in 5-qt. jugs.