E-Core Filter Pictures

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I have been pretty positive about the E-core design from Champion labs. I like the wide open center tube and the threaded-end bypass. I didn't think all of the E-core bashing was warranted.

However, my opinion was based on theory... now I cut one open and I'm not as thrilled as I'd hoped. Filter shown is an STP S3600.

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The filter uses end caps that are not cardboard, but rather some kind of fibrous material almost like a thick cloth. Note the exterior glued seam on the element. Incidentally, the filter material is pretty thin on this STP filter (as thin as the material in the Advance Auto filter I put in another post last month, maybe even thinner).

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The end cap material is not as rigid as cardboard. It is very flexible when pulled away from the element. It doesn't tear easily... it's strong, just flexible.

One thing that concerns me is that the end cap material easily pulls off of the filter media. There is no glue. I have heard from knowledgable people on BITOG that the end caps are "thermally bonded" to the media. Well I can tell you that this thermal bonding doesn't work very well. In use, I would guess that the bonding is strong enouch to prevent flexing of the pleats, but it doesn't instill confidence.

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On the other hand, the nylon center tube is extremely strong. I am very impressed with it. When squeezed between my palms, I can only compress it slightly. It is definitely stronger than a typical metal tube and you have to love its wide open design. I hope other companies start using a center tube like this, provided the filter media can stand to have large open areas.

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The baseplate uses the design with the extra set of holes. Picture above shows the anti drainback valve/bypass in its position over the holes.

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A look at the enderside shows the inner lip which is the bypass valve. In bypass, the lip would be forced upward to allow oil to flow into the center tube from the second set of holes. (Sorry the image shows the baseplate upside-down in this case)

I really cut open this filter to get a look at the bypass. I really like a threaded-end bypass. Most filters have the dome-end bypass, which allows oil to flow over dirty media when in bypass.

I must say that this bypass doesn't impress me as much as I was hoping. The idea is nice, but I'm not confident that it will work that well. Even though the bypass lip is pressed firmly against the baseplate, it seems like it doesn't take much force to lift it. I suspect that it may leak a little in use, even when bypass is not necessary. That's kind of what I was worried about (from looking at the E-core brochure picture). I guess I was hoping for a bypass flap that looks like it has been engineered to have more "positive" operation... I know that would take some serious design effort, but this to me looks like just a minimally-engineered flap. I'd like to see some evidence on the performance of this bypass design from the company before I can trust it more.

All in all, this filter is less than what I expected. While the center tube exceeded my expectations and the bypass valve met my lowest expectations. The end caps and bonding to the filter media is a disappointment that I didn't expect. The STP filter media seems very low quality, hopefully other Champ filters (SuperTech, etc.) use better.

It is my opinion that the chief reason that Champ changed to the E-core design was cost savings, not product improvement. I just don't see anything on this filter that shows otherwise.

Would I use this filter? I'll have to think about it some more, but I'm a little more hesitant than before.

[ October 11, 2005, 10:33 AM: Message edited by: 59 Vetteman ]
 
Except for the easy to peel off, the end caps are just as described on Champ's website. The parts do not need to be held rigidly in place. They only need to hold together when exposed to the forces present in use. So far, I have seen several unused filters pulled apart, and more reports of used intact filers, when cut open.

Do we need to credit management for technical innovation allowing production of a quality product here in America to compete with others taking jobs abroad?
 
I'm happy with the champion built filters for our several autos thus far. I would mention that the filters (supertech) are marked as "Made in Mexico" however.

That is a ST2 and a ST 4967 (non ecore design).
 
If you think about it, the pressure on the outside of the element should always be higher than the pressure inside. This should actually push the end caps toward the pleats, and not tend to tear them away. Not much strength would be needed to keep the thing together. The low adhesion is troubling nevertheless.

My stash of AC is pre-Ecore. Maybe I'll need to find something else to use when they are gone in a couple of years.
 
But what if there is a pressure pulse from start up or from the bypass valve closing? Wouldn't that rush at the bottom end cap from the wrong direction initially?
 
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Originally posted by TallPaul:
But what if there is a pressure pulse from start up or from the bypass valve closing? Wouldn't that rush at the bottom end cap from the wrong direction initially?

Could be. I would be more comfortable with them if they didn't pull apart so easily. However, in the real world, many people are cutting up used ones and none of the DIY types have seen any problems.

The ST and STP 3950's out in my garage say made in USA. The 2 Purolator L 15436's say made in Thailand on them.
 
Has anyone ever seen a paper endcap, or E-core synthetic one, come off after use?

It's one thing to cut open a new filter and tear back an end cap. btw..you can do this with a metal one as well, just put it in a vise and pull the element away from the endcap.

The E-core endcap melds itself to the element portion. As long as the endcaps are sealed to the media there is no problem.
 
For metal ones you have to put the filter in a vise to tear of the end caps. This STP one peeled off really easily by hand- no struggle at all.

At least in my sample I would not describe the endcap as having "melded" itself to the element. The element shows no signs of having endcap material soaked in it. The endcap shows an outline of the edge of the pleats from where it formed around the endcap edges... but the depth of the outline forms is very shallow, so its not surprising that the adhesion is poor.
 
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Originally posted by Filter guy:
Has anyone ever seen a paper endcap, or E-core synthetic one, come off after use?


I have seen a Fram paper endcap that wasn't completely glued on on an unused filter. You could stick your finger beteen the end cap and the element.
 
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Originally posted by XS650:

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Originally posted by Filter guy:
Has anyone ever seen a paper endcap, or E-core synthetic one, come off after use?


I have seen a Fram paper endcap that wasn't completely glued on on an unused filter. You could stick your finger beteen the end cap and the element.


Apples and orange.
 
On the used E-core I cut open, the 'endcaps' were not coming off the media easily. I don't know how it looked virgin (obviously), but I'd say it did it's job just fine!
 
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Originally posted by labman:

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Originally posted by XS650:

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Originally posted by Filter guy:
Has anyone ever seen a paper endcap, or E-core synthetic one, come off after use?


I have seen a Fram paper endcap that wasn't completely glued on on an unused filter. You could stick your finger beteen the end cap and the element.


Apples and orange.


The gap wasn't that big, no way an apple or an orange would have fit through the gap. Just a finger.
 
Has anyone ever seen a paper endcap, or E-core synthetic one, come off after use?


Yeah, I have had a whole pile of them. I would also like to point out that when the E-core photographed failed in service it would be where the crooked seam pleats are. I have also seen a few of the seams actually split open. The other common failure point in e-cores is the 1-2 pleats immediately adjacent to either side of the seam pleat pleat will tear loose from the endcap. As I hae said before I am no longer cutting open any e-cores. I have seen what happens to some of them and don't need to keep looking at the same thing over and over. Metal endcaps are much stronger, and yes it would take a vise to pry them off, an e-core however seems to do this all by itself after a 4-5k OCI.
 
Forgot to add-IMO the combo bypass valve is a total joke. I can't see how this can possibly work well, especially after the rubber hardens. This filter was designed to cut costs, period.
 
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Originally posted by kanling:
For metal ones you have to put the filter in a vise to tear of the end caps. This STP one peeled off really easily by hand- no struggle at all.

At least in my sample I would not describe the endcap as having "melded" itself to the element. The element shows no signs of having endcap material soaked in it. The endcap shows an outline of the edge of the pleats from where it formed around the endcap edges... but the depth of the outline forms is very shallow, so its not surprising that the adhesion is poor.


Kanling..there have been other threads where this has been discussed. The technology used is heat to the material of the endcap. This heat is generated from sonic vibration. The material in the endcap is "special" that allows it to "liquify" so that the endcap ITSELF forms a bond with the filter media pleats. There is no glue as with Fram and their endcaps.

Yes, one can peal back the end cap. So far through testing , lab and in the field, through millions of filters manufacured the design has proved effective. So effective that another filter company has it private labelled for them ( A.C.) and some engine companies looking at the design as first fit on new engines from the engine plant.

Obviously there are certain detractors in this forum.

However filter engineers* and new engine engineers see no problem with the filter in it's design or performance.

* Filter engineers at any filter company. If the design of the element itself or the by-pass were not up to snuff, you'd see brochures and marketing tactics targeting the design or it's features. So far I have yet to see or hear of any and the E-core has been out for 2 years now. if other filter companies aren't tearing it apart in the martketplace...there may just be a reason why. Rumor has it at least one other filter company is looking at manufacturing a similar version of the E-core. And I don't think they paint their filters orange..
 
About the endcap bonding, all I can say is that the bond between the end caps and the filter element in this sample is much much weaker than any other filter design I have seen (I have not taken apart any orange filters, for the record). The bonding quite well may be good enough, but it is far weaker than many competitors.

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I would also like to point out that when the E-core photographed failed in service it would be where the crooked seam pleats are.

Actually, the pleats in this filter were very evenly spaced. They only bunched up (seen in the second picture) once the end cap was pulled up. (A little "slinky" style spring action going on)
 
An observation from a non-expert... It looks like an updated hi-tech example of Frams effort to BE the very LEAST they can BE.

I've been using Champion filters for years but I just don't feel comfortable with their new product. (yet) Champion new design's are very unique by todays standards and only time will tell. To me - it's just not worth an engine to *field test* a low cost filter...

My 2 cents,
-Boston-
 
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