Duramax oil filter thread

[shibby6600]

Originally Posted by WellOiled
Originally Posted by ZeeOSix
I see since I posted above, someone has cleaned up all the posts (about 4 or 5 pages worth) in that thread about him being banned and the badmouthing of BITOG.

There was also a member over there (Shoggy or something like that) that had a big drawn out response to some of his stuff saying pretty much similar things that we did here - and he wasn't even doing any personal attack nonsense. Guess what, all his posts are also gone. And they were crying about "free speech" ... lol.

That is really too bad. He was the sharpest of the thread. He should come to BITOG.


My ears were burning.

 

[SubieRubyRoo]

Welcome!

 

[DoubleWasp]

I think the lost connection here is that most people don't understand what a diesel truck forum is like. A lot of smart people who can talk tech at incredibly depth, but also a lot of people who are not interested in anything more than visual misrepresentation. Kind of folks who don't read books without pictures.

I could probably do a successful business selling oversized brake lines on diesel truck websites.

"HALF INCH INTERNAL DIAMETER hoses flow waaaaaaaay more brake fluid to your brakes calipers! Drop your puny 3/16" brake hoses that RESTRICT your braking, causing FATAL accidents!!!!! DOUBLES brake fluid capacity and resists FADE!!!!!!"

The folks who kept double blade wipers on the shelves for decades are alive and well. So is the mentality.

 

[DoubleWasp]

Welcome to the Jungle!

 

[WellOiled]

Originally Posted by shibby6600
Originally Posted by WellOiled
Originally Posted by ZeeOSix
I see since I posted above, someone has cleaned up all the posts (about 4 or 5 pages worth) in that thread about him being banned and the badmouthing of BITOG.

There was also a member over there (Shoggy or something like that) that had a big drawn out response to some of his stuff saying pretty much similar things that we did here - and he wasn't even doing any personal attack nonsense. Guess what, all his posts are also gone. And they were crying about "free speech" ... lol.

That is really too bad. He was the sharpest of the thread. He should come to BITOG.


My ears were burning.

I bet they were. The membership did not want to hear the truth.

And welcome to BITOG?

 

[bullwinkle]

Dude had some interesting photos, but when I heard he had a profanity filled exchange with Jay Buckley/motorking from Fram-that's when I figured the guy was just an axe-grinding troll. Every mass-produced part, like an oil filter, can be built on a bad day & have a problem-but it's the company's RESPONSE (or in M&H's case, the LACK of one) to the issues that makes a difference.

 

[Job]

Originally Posted by bullwinkle
Dude had some interesting photos, but when I heard he had a profanity filled exchange with Jay Buckley/motorking from Fram-that's when I figured the guy was just an axe-grinding troll. Every mass-produced part, like an oil filter, can be built on a bad day & have a problem-but it's the company's RESPONSE (or in M&H's case, the LACK of one) to the issues that makes a difference.


Hearing he had that exchange is not evidence of anything, no details, and it is still hearsay with them. There is all kinds of bias here, perpetuated by highly opinionated members who basically control the whole sub forum. That guy did a lot of work and should be thanked. I asked before how he faked the M1 glue. No answer.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/opinionated

 

[bullwinkle]

So you're saying Jay LIED about it? No, I don't believe that for a second. I also don't believe he faked the M1 glue job, either. I keep an open mind when it comes to filters-but there are members here (car 51/'53 Stude for example) that have cut many, many filters and found issues with them, I tend to believe them when they find problems. Some guy, out of the blue, finds multiple major problems on filters that aren't known to generally be bad, I view with some skepticism. Although that Ultra seam is definitely a (rare) manufacturing error.

 

[shibby6600]

Originally Posted by Farnsworth
Hearing he had that exchange is not evidence of anything, no details, and it is still hearsay with them. There is all kinds of bias here, perpetuated by highly opinionated members who basically control the whole sub forum. That guy did a lot of work and should be thanked. I asked before how he faked the M1 glue. No answer.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/opinionated

I tend to agree with you Farnsworth. He did have some good pictures, and put in the effort of cutting them open. Also, I believe the M1 had a manufacturing defect, at no fault of the OP, and the manufacturer had a good and reasonable response and resolution. I am curious if Fram's offer of a manufacturing tour and inspection of an also defective filter was given equal chance for such a resolution, but at this point there is no reason to continue to press for an answer.

Given the amount of the drama this created, I think it is for the best that both forums were cleansed. I also think it is good this thread was created if only to serve the purpose of letting anyone who didn't follow the original from the beginning know there may be some controversy over the types of claims made. The original comments on each opened filter were opinions, I'm not going to prove otherwise. I felt his opinions to be stated with some degree of authority, when there is no proof of authority given. My posts on the duramax forum could have been worded in a gentler way to get this point across, perhaps. Though I can't say if that would have changed anything.

Thank you all for the welcome, I do enjoy reading through this newly discovered community.

 

[Bill_W]

Honestly had no issues with his post, but I can see some bias. IMO no big deal. He put a lot of work into his post. Was suspicious that he found some issues that i never saw before from any other post and he found them all.

After I heard of his curse word battle, that changed things. No longer an objective and informative view.

 

[ZeeOSix]

Originally Posted by Farnsworth
Originally Posted by bullwinkle
Dude had some interesting photos, but when I heard he had a profanity filled exchange with Jay Buckley/motorking from Fram-that's when I figured the guy was just an axe-grinding troll. Every mass-produced part, like an oil filter, can be built on a bad day & have a problem-but it's the company's RESPONSE (or in M&H's case, the LACK of one) to the issues that makes a difference.


Hearing he had that exchange is not evidence of anything, no details, and it is still hearsay with them. There is all kinds of bias here, perpetuated by highly opinionated members who basically control the whole sub forum. That guy did a lot of work and should be thanked. I asked before how he faked the M1 glue. No answer.


Your claimed "bias" here is backed up by actual data and facts ... not just some opinion by a visual look at something. Do you really think he knows what he's talking about when he looks at a Purolator flat bypass spring or a Fram bypass valve and claims they can't flow enough oil, or looks at the size and number of holes in a base plate and claims some designs are inadequate. Or that certain bypass valves will leak just by the way they fit into a center tube, or certain materials don't work as good as others - it's all nonsense with absolutely no proof of the claims. All that stuff has been discussed for years in this forum and you should know what's logical or not by now after being here over 8 years.

 

[ZeeOSix]

Originally Posted by DoubleWasp
Welcome to the Jungle!

+1 on the welcome shibby6600.

So what was their motivation to removing all your posts in that "filter review" thread? Especially since they were crying about "free speech" and all that jazz - lol.

 

[Job]

Originally Posted by ZeeOSix
Originally Posted by Farnsworth
Originally Posted by bullwinkle
Dude had some interesting photos, but when I heard he had a profanity filled exchange with Jay Buckley/motorking from Fram-that's when I figured the guy was just an axe-grinding troll. Every mass-produced part, like an oil filter, can be built on a bad day & have a problem-but it's the company's RESPONSE (or in M&H's case, the LACK of one) to the issues that makes a difference.


Hearing he had that exchange is not evidence of anything, no details, and it is still hearsay with them. There is all kinds of bias here, perpetuated by highly opinionated members who basically control the whole sub forum. That guy did a lot of work and should be thanked. I asked before how he faked the M1 glue. No answer.


Your claimed "bias" here is backed up by actual data and facts ... not just some opinion by a visual look at something. Do you really think he knows what he's talking about when he looks at a Purolator flat bypass spring or a Fram bypass valve and claims they can't flow enough oil, or looks at the size and number of holes in a base plate and claims some designs are inadequate. Or that certain bypass valves will leak just by the way they fit into a center tube, or certain materials don't work as good as others - it's all nonsense with absolutely no proof of the claims. All that stuff has been discussed for years in this forum and you should know what's logical or not by now after being here over 8 years.

I also complained in the original thread his conclusions were off on a number of things. You read it. It's not a matter of his opinion when he shows pictures of defects and responses from Champ Labs, is it? To me I can accept others errors and others opinions pretty well. I look for the facts.

1. Did he fake the M1 glue? yes or no. You probably won't answer.
2. In the Fram high bypass thread why are you silent to MK when he states, wrongly, GM for unknown reasons made the higher bypass requirement? When you and everyone knows GM put out an official explanation? Why aren't you jumping all over him informing him?
Anyway, this sub forum has gotten useless because of the bias. See the definition I posted. There are nice ones here which actually discuss things on topic with nice members.

 

[ZeeOSix]

Originally Posted by Farnsworth
I also complained in the original thread his conclusions were off on a number of things. You read it. It's not a matter of his opinion when he shows pictures of defects and responses from Champ Labs, is it? To me I can accept others errors and others opinions pretty well. I look for the facts.


Not so sure you actually look at all the facts ... history over the last 8+ years points that way.

Anyone with a filter cutter can cut open filters and take nice photos. It's what they say about their findings that actually counts.

I'm not talking about excess glue or a bent pleat or any of the other visual stuff that really doesn't matter in filter function ... that's all fluff BS to make biased bashing comments about something. I'm talking about actual functionality stuff that he has absolutely no clue on what he's talking about (mentioned above). And bashing the printing on the box then bad mouthing the oil filter because the box didn't have perfect printing on it ... is he reviewing oil filters or packaging - lol.

Sure, it's one guy's "opinion", but it's based on zero backup evidence of the claims - expect for a few photos showing a few visual flaws. Any guy with a cutter can be made to look like an "expert" reviewer and convince the unknowing that he knows what he's talking about. I see hundreds of them on YouTube ... many are pretty ridiculous.

 

[WellOiled]

Originally Posted by Farnsworth
Originally Posted by ZeeOSix
Originally Posted by Farnsworth
Originally Posted by bullwinkle
Dude had some interesting photos, but when I heard he had a profanity filled exchange with Jay Buckley/motorking from Fram-that's when I figured the guy was just an axe-grinding troll. Every mass-produced part, like an oil filter, can be built on a bad day & have a problem-but it's the company's RESPONSE (or in M&H's case, the LACK of one) to the issues that makes a difference.


Hearing he had that exchange is not evidence of anything, no details, and it is still hearsay with them. There is all kinds of bias here, perpetuated by highly opinionated members who basically control the whole sub forum. That guy did a lot of work and should be thanked. I asked before how he faked the M1 glue. No answer.


Your claimed "bias" here is backed up by actual data and facts ... not just some opinion by a visual look at something. Do you really think he knows what he's talking about when he looks at a Purolator flat bypass spring or a Fram bypass valve and claims they can't flow enough oil, or looks at the size and number of holes in a base plate and claims some designs are inadequate. Or that certain bypass valves will leak just by the way they fit into a center tube, or certain materials don't work as good as others - it's all nonsense with absolutely no proof of the claims. All that stuff has been discussed for years in this forum and you should know what's logical or not by now after being here over 8 years.

I also complained in the original thread his conclusions were off on a number of things. You read it. It's not a matter of his opinion when he shows pictures of defects and responses from Champ Labs, is it? To me I can accept others errors and others opinions pretty well. I look for the facts.

1. Did he fake the M1 glue? yes or no. You probably won't answer.
2. In the Fram high bypass thread why are you silent to MK when he states, wrongly, GM for unknown reasons made the higher bypass requirement? When you and everyone knows GM put out an official explanation? Why aren't you jumping all over him informing him?
Anyway, this sub forum has gotten useless because of the bias. See the definition I posted. There are nice ones here which actually discuss things on topic with nice members.

Farnsworth, you sound like a user that was banned in early November 2018. Your posts are so close to his that I'm thinking Goodtimes reincarnated as Farnsworth. Can you confirm my suspicion?

 

[ZeeOSix]

You forgot "Ablebody".

 

[WellOiled]

You are right. I forgot Ablebody.

 

[shibby6600]

Originally Posted by ZeeOSix
+1 on the welcome shibby6600.

So what was their motivation to removing all your posts in that "filter review" thread? Especially since they were crying about "free speech" and all that jazz - lol.


Last I saw the admins were attempting to get the thread back to its original intent of being a filter comparison thread. Meant a lot of posts on all sides were removed as they were not directly contributing to the intent of the thread.

 

[ZeeOSix]

Originally Posted by shibby6600
Originally Posted by ZeeOSix
+1 on the welcome shibby6600.

So what was their motivation to removing all your posts in that "filter review" thread? Especially since they were crying about "free speech" and all that jazz - lol.


Last I saw the admins were attempting to get the thread back to its original intent of being a filter comparison thread. Meant a lot of posts on all sides were removed as they were not directly contributing to the intent of the thread.


But the posts I saw from you were talking about the filters being reviewed. Guess they didnt like anyone actually questioning the opinions of the OP or commenting from a technical standpoint.

 

[shibby6600]

Originally Posted by ZeeOSix
But the posts I saw from you were talking about the filters being reviewed. Guess they didnt like anyone actually questioning the opinions of the OP or commenting from a technical standpoint.

I don't have a good answer, unfortunately. They didn't ban my account, or message me about my comments. It all sort of disappeared as if it never happened. This thread is the only thing remaining from the whole ordeal.