Draining out factory fill too early?

[buster]

A lot of people want to drain the factory oil out around 500-1000 miles. From what I've seen, it's way too soon. Engines are made so well today that we rarely see oils come back loaded with wear metals of the initial break-in oil. Even at 50 ppm or more, it's doing no harm. Do you guy's agree? I think the oil should stay in engine.

Would also make sense from a study that was done showing changing the oil too often can result in a short term spike in engine wear as the new oil now has to relayer on the surfact metal.

 

[SargeGTO]

Nah....you'd have to drain your oil for month to get all the "film" out

I drained my new Silverado at 600 miles last week....actually all the fluids in the drive train were switched to Amsoil. I have bought 5 new cars in the past 24 months and do the same thing everytime....been doing it for a long time....One could argue I am wasting money....but you should see the "condition" of the rear end lube after the 1st 500 miles......engine oil isn't much better.....

 

[buster]

Yeah I guess it doesn't matter either way really, but over concern about high break-in metals seems to be a thing of the past. I usually wait until 3-4k miles.

 

[bluesubie]

I think it depends on the application. If I bought a new 300 hp Subaru STI, I wouldn't want the factory fill 5W30 in there if I was driving in 105+ temps. I did keep mine in until 3,750 though.

Interesting topic because it does get asked a lot.

-Dennis

 

[Titan]

I have changed my mind on this over the years, as I no longer see junk of any significance in the new oil when drained early. Even on motorcycles...which surprises me some. Given that the oil filter tends to get more efficient as it loads, I don't think it does any good to change that early either. Waste of money.

Time to face the FACT: Engines are built better today than 3 decades ago.

 

[CBDFrontier06]

While wear metal saturation isn't a huge concern, when coupled with fuel dilution from countless "start it, drive it across the lot, shut it off' scenarios after it rolls off the assembly line, added to the overall age of the oil, I don't want it in there much past 1000 miles. Plus, I like to convert to synthetic so the sooner the better IMO.

 

[Patman]

I agree buster! I always try to convince the Corvette guys that they do not need to do their first oil change at 500 or 1000 or even at 2000 miles! I tell them their best bet is to do the first oil change at 50% oil life, which for most people would be somewhere around 4-5000 miles.

It's hard to convince them it's safe though, as these same guys also like to cling to the 3000 mile oil change, which is bad enough when using conventional oil, but is severe overkill with synthetics.

 

[SubLGT]

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Yeah I guess it doesn't matter either way really, but over concern about high break-in metals seems to be a thing of the past. I usually wait until 3-4k miles.

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A member posted a used oil analysis for the factory fill on a 2007 Toyota Sienna, with 1640 miles, and it had 167 ppm Cu and 310 ppm Si. I have no clue whether that amount of Si and Cu is harmful or not.

 

[cmhj]

Well, I don't know.

On my 07 2.2 ecotech I put a rare earth magnet on the drain plug. When I pulled the plug at 1,400 miles it had IMO a fair amount of filings. Of course, now I have a regular magnetic drain plug in the pan. This is a procedure I've done with all of my new vehicles for about 20 years.

Again, I don't know. But IMO a fast OCI or 2 can do nothing but help most engines.

 

[Forest]

A lot of people want to drain the factory oil out around 500-1000 miles. From what I've seen, it's way too soon. Engines are made so well today that we rarely see oils come back loaded with wear metals of the initial break-in oil. Even at 50 ppm or more, it's doing no harm. Do you guy's agree? I think the oil should stay in engine.

I agree 100 percent I waited until my Honda oil was on add at 4,500 miles. The oil now days like everything else has the latest additives and technology. For the last 500 miles I did a 5w30 Chevron flush and once at 5,000 I put in my synthetic.

Would also make sense from a study that was done showing changing the oil too often can result in a short term spike in engine wear as the new oil now has to relayer on the surfact metal.

Could on dino but the synthetics they make today stick to the metal well. If anything it's a waste of money to change oil too soon.

 

[JTK]

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Well, I don't know.

On my 07 2.2 ecotech I put a rare earth magnet on the drain plug. When I pulled the plug at 1,400 miles it had IMO a fair amount of filings...

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I dumped the factory fill on my 2007 Ecotec at about 1500mi. The oil looked new and the cartridge filter was spotless. Seemed like a wasted effort on mine.

I'm not sure I'll ever dump the oil on a new vehicle so soon again.

Joel

 

[Panzerman]

I drained my oil in my New truck at 165 miles, reason it had 17 miles on it when I bought it,but was made over year before I purchased it. It sat around alot and probably got started up and shut off alot in short periods of time for the $15 dollars it cost me I felt better. I often read car and driver magazine though and noticed that their long time test rides acrue some times as high as 10,000 to 15,000 on the first oil change. The lowest I saw was 7,500. They always follow the oil monitor and even mention they vary sometimes from 5,000 to 10,000 miles between oil changes. Oil changes and tire rotations ussually cost them about $200 dollars too.

 

[Steve S]

Gets the break in wear out .Any crud in the oil is bad crud. Draining factory oil out too soon .... why use $10.00 per qt oil . This should be the post.