With all the discussion about Fumoto, Fram Sure-Drains.....
Has anyone actually seen or used a Dorman EZ Drain?
Has anyone actually seen or used a Dorman EZ Drain?
Dorman EZ Drain
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Based on this http://s122.photobucket.com/albums/o240/jb69029/?action=view¤t=S1050489.flv it looks like it starts draining as soon as you push in on it. I can't say that I like that idea.
I agree with the push thing comment, looks like it is way too easy to push in, backing over something etc. Fumoto rules!!
I had to laugh at that video. I have two Honda Elements (which that video was taken of) and dropping the drain plug is not the problem. The problem is how hard it is to get to the darn filter and the amount of oil you spill all over everything when you take it off. Honda should have made a remote filter location for those.
I like my F-Valve... You have to pull the lever towards the ground, not push it up and then turn to the side... Alleviating the chance that something you hit on the road can accidentally open the valve. I also bought the one that has the end on it for a hose and put a "High-Heat" silicon plug on the end so in the very very off chance that the valve comes open or the valve starts to leak I have some time to realize it without engine damage...
I started to use the Fumoto valve on my compact tractor and my wifes Subaru Forester, but just didnt like the valve lever.. I have had one of the Femco valves on my truck since 2002 and love it, so the tractor and Forester are getting Femco's..
they are almost 2x as expensive (and you have to buy the drain tube), but being lower profile was the winner for me.. The femco has a protective drain cap and even once the cap is removed you still need to push up on the inside of the valve before the oil will drain..
I have read that a lot of ppl love the fumoto valve, but i was worried about snagging that lever and having a big, expensive yuck yuck
Brian
they are almost 2x as expensive (and you have to buy the drain tube), but being lower profile was the winner for me.. The femco has a protective drain cap and even once the cap is removed you still need to push up on the inside of the valve before the oil will drain..
I have read that a lot of ppl love the fumoto valve, but i was worried about snagging that lever and having a big, expensive yuck yuck
Brian
Originally Posted By: thatguy
I started to use the Fumoto valve on my compact tractor and my wifes Subaru Forester, but just didnt like the valve lever.. I have had one of the Femco valves on my truck since 2002 and love it, so the tractor and Forester are getting Femco's..
they are almost 2x as expensive (and you have to buy the drain tube), but being lower profile was the winner for me.. The femco has a protective drain cap and even once the cap is removed you still need to push up on the inside of the valve before the oil will drain..
I have read that a lot of ppl love the fumoto valve, but i was worried about snagging that lever and having a big, expensive yuck yuck
Brian
In looking at the Femco valve, the problem I see is if the "plunger" with the o-ring doesn't seat properly due to contaminants in the oil, you'll have a leak and not even know it.
That being said, have you ever had issues where it didn't seat properly after you refilled the engine with motor oil?
I started to use the Fumoto valve on my compact tractor and my wifes Subaru Forester, but just didnt like the valve lever.. I have had one of the Femco valves on my truck since 2002 and love it, so the tractor and Forester are getting Femco's..
they are almost 2x as expensive (and you have to buy the drain tube), but being lower profile was the winner for me.. The femco has a protective drain cap and even once the cap is removed you still need to push up on the inside of the valve before the oil will drain..
I have read that a lot of ppl love the fumoto valve, but i was worried about snagging that lever and having a big, expensive yuck yuck
Brian
In looking at the Femco valve, the problem I see is if the "plunger" with the o-ring doesn't seat properly due to contaminants in the oil, you'll have a leak and not even know it.
That being said, have you ever had issues where it didn't seat properly after you refilled the engine with motor oil?
Originally Posted By: momomeister
In looking at the Femco valve, the problem I see is if the "plunger" with the o-ring doesn't seat properly due to contaminants in the oil, you'll have a leak and not even know it.
That being said, have you ever had issues where it didn't seat properly after you refilled the engine with motor oil?
I have never had the plunger to fail to reseat (either by playing with it uninstalled OR when you remove the protective cap ie oil running out)..
The protective cap also contains an 'O' ring, so even if the plunger fails to seat fully, as long as the cap is on securely you wont loose any oil.. One thing you could do, but I never even thought of it until you mentioned it was to make sure the plunger by pushing up on it after the drain is complete to make sure it drops fully down.
I know A LOT of ppl love the Fumoto valves, but the possibility of the lever getting repositioned bothers me.. You can get get those small squeeze hose clamps to secure the lever, but im still uneasy about it.. Especially on something like my tractor that would have a great possibility of running over brush etc.
I have an uninstalled valve if anyone would want to see it, I can take pics and post them..
Just my thoughts..
Brian
In looking at the Femco valve, the problem I see is if the "plunger" with the o-ring doesn't seat properly due to contaminants in the oil, you'll have a leak and not even know it.
That being said, have you ever had issues where it didn't seat properly after you refilled the engine with motor oil?
I have never had the plunger to fail to reseat (either by playing with it uninstalled OR when you remove the protective cap ie oil running out)..
The protective cap also contains an 'O' ring, so even if the plunger fails to seat fully, as long as the cap is on securely you wont loose any oil.. One thing you could do, but I never even thought of it until you mentioned it was to make sure the plunger by pushing up on it after the drain is complete to make sure it drops fully down.
I know A LOT of ppl love the Fumoto valves, but the possibility of the lever getting repositioned bothers me.. You can get get those small squeeze hose clamps to secure the lever, but im still uneasy about it.. Especially on something like my tractor that would have a great possibility of running over brush etc.
I have an uninstalled valve if anyone would want to see it, I can take pics and post them..
Just my thoughts..
Brian
I have had my Fumoto valve on for over 100,000KM (60,000 Miles), and we have brutal winters with lots of high snow banks, fallen tree branches etc. (live in the country), and I have never had a problem. My dad who is a mechanic loves the idea and think it was well designed. FWIW
Originally Posted By: StevieC
I have had my Fumoto valve on for over 100,000KM (60,000 Miles), and we have brutal winters with lots of high snow banks, fallen tree branches etc. (live in the country), and I have never had a problem. My dad who is a mechanic loves the idea and think it was well designed. FWIW
Your response is very typical of ppl that use the Fumoto valve - i have only read about a handful of ppl that didnt like it and I dont think i have ever read about someone having a failure..
But I just have this mental problem because it sticks down farther and has the lever that it could possibly open by accident I am afraid to use it.. Especially when I can get something similar that has a lower profile and a safety cap to boot..
It is all mental for me and I also first used the femco valves, so I am sorta loyal i reckon LOL
Brian
I have had my Fumoto valve on for over 100,000KM (60,000 Miles), and we have brutal winters with lots of high snow banks, fallen tree branches etc. (live in the country), and I have never had a problem. My dad who is a mechanic loves the idea and think it was well designed. FWIW
Your response is very typical of ppl that use the Fumoto valve - i have only read about a handful of ppl that didnt like it and I dont think i have ever read about someone having a failure..
But I just have this mental problem because it sticks down farther and has the lever that it could possibly open by accident I am afraid to use it.. Especially when I can get something similar that has a lower profile and a safety cap to boot..
It is all mental for me and I also first used the femco valves, so I am sorta loyal i reckon LOL
Brian
Originally Posted By: thatguy
Your response is very typical of ppl that use the Fumoto valve - i have only read about a handful of ppl that didnt like it and I dont think i have ever read about someone having a failure..
But I just have this mental problem because it sticks down farther and has the lever that it could possibly open by accident I am afraid to use it.. Especially when I can get something similar that has a lower profile and a safety cap to boot..
It is all mental for me and I also first used the femco valves, so I am sorta loyal i reckon LOL
Brian
I felt the same way, so I purchased the one that has the adapter for the hose on the end of it. I put a high-heat silicone cap on the end where the hose would go, so that in the very off chance that something forced the leaver down and around I would still have the cap holding the oil in. But in the time I have had it, none of this has happened and I have run over many things including road kill, bags, cans, branches, lots of snow etc. (Spend my day on the road)
Sleep Easy with a F-Moto valve, the rest of us are!
Your response is very typical of ppl that use the Fumoto valve - i have only read about a handful of ppl that didnt like it and I dont think i have ever read about someone having a failure..
But I just have this mental problem because it sticks down farther and has the lever that it could possibly open by accident I am afraid to use it.. Especially when I can get something similar that has a lower profile and a safety cap to boot..
It is all mental for me and I also first used the femco valves, so I am sorta loyal i reckon LOL
Brian
I felt the same way, so I purchased the one that has the adapter for the hose on the end of it. I put a high-heat silicone cap on the end where the hose would go, so that in the very off chance that something forced the leaver down and around I would still have the cap holding the oil in. But in the time I have had it, none of this has happened and I have run over many things including road kill, bags, cans, branches, lots of snow etc. (Spend my day on the road)
Yeah, I've got the EZ Drains for both my cars. Haven't had any problem and don't anticipate any either. They have a strong spring and 2 levels of gaskets, so if the first one fails it will be backed up by #2. And it's not like they stick out a mile, either. Very simple to use, and you don't have to worry about stripping out the pan.
Originally Posted By: greenaccord02
Yeah, I've got the EZ Drains for both my cars. Haven't had any problem and don't anticipate any either. They have a strong spring and 2 levels of gaskets, so if the first one fails it will be backed up by #2. And it's not like they stick out a mile, either. Very simple to use, and you don't have to worry about stripping out the pan.
Thanks for the on-topic response.
Since Fram doesn't market the Sure-Drain anymore (which I have had good experiences with) I was looking for a future alternative OTHER than a Fumoto.
Where did you purchase them?
Yeah, I've got the EZ Drains for both my cars. Haven't had any problem and don't anticipate any either. They have a strong spring and 2 levels of gaskets, so if the first one fails it will be backed up by #2. And it's not like they stick out a mile, either. Very simple to use, and you don't have to worry about stripping out the pan.
Thanks for the on-topic response.
Since Fram doesn't market the Sure-Drain anymore (which I have had good experiences with) I was looking for a future alternative OTHER than a Fumoto.
Where did you purchase them?
O'reilly's. They were right about $10 a piece.
FYI: SureDrains can still be bought on ebay...
How much do these drains restrict the aperture on the oil drain oil? I know it's a silly concern, but that's the main reason I haven't installed one on my SAAB. I just worry I might have some odd giant piece of harden sludge that might not make it thru the hole that otherwise might fit through the unmodified drain. I know that's a paranoid concern and I've not had anything like that since I cleaned the pan and started with the arx, but still....
And Johnny, AMEN on the Element! I have a CR-V and it's the same deal. Oil everywhere from the stupid filter.
And Johnny, AMEN on the Element! I have a CR-V and it's the same deal. Oil everywhere from the stupid filter.
Yep, Mental. I actually drove over a concrete median with my Fumoto and shaved part of the nipple off, it never broke and still functions fine, some brass missing but works great.
Originally Posted By: greenaccord02
O'reilly's. They were right about $10 a piece.
Thanks.
There are no full-tilt O'Reily's in CA. However, O'reily's bought Kragen stores recently and the signage has already been changed and now has the shamrock. I'll check this weekend.
O'reilly's. They were right about $10 a piece.
Thanks.
There are no full-tilt O'Reily's in CA. However, O'reily's bought Kragen stores recently and the signage has already been changed and now has the shamrock. I'll check this weekend.
I think it would be relatively easy to make a C clip to go behind the collar thing on the EZ Drain that would prevent it from being opened.
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