Originally Posted By: SteveSRT8
Can you hit Google?
No matter what happened to Steve Jobs, it's HIS business! His only. I doubt he would have cared what you think. And NO ONE can say he would live longer with their treatment versus any other or even none. Got a God complex? For every cancer success story there are dozens of others who simply suffered and died. They don't get the press he did.
Come up with some actual studies that prove what you claim. The "google it" is the last bastion of the failed argument these days. I'm not the one claiming that these supplements or alternative medicines work... you are. Its up to you to provide some proof.
So far I've seen you pull the following fallacious arguement tactics:
- poisoning the well
- having your cake
- appeal to complexity
- strawmanning
- special pleading
- burden of proof (your Google it schtick)
- argument from age (Ayurvedic medicine)
As for Jobs, 94% survival particularly for those diagnosed with it as early as his when they get to tumor removed promptly. You can scream choice all you want. Don't expect people to not judge the choice as a foolish one when it means the difference between 20 more years of life or ill health and death within a handful of years.
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You've implied in every post we're all stupid and you're the smart guy. So don't expect any more respect from me. I've got RN's, OT's, PT's, and real Doctors in my immediate family to advise me.
I've implied gullible, not stupid. Perhaps ignorant is a better word as it implies uninformed. Your tinfoil hat is so thick that the "anti-big Pharma" rays are ricocheting off its interior and amplifying themselves.
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No one ever said they cured everything or they were the only choice for the smart people who aren't "gullible" (your word, not mine).
So how about a short list of things that in your opinion shouldn't be treated by alternative medicine.
Speaking of Ayurvedic "medicine":
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Concerns About Heavy Metals
The presence of metals in some Ayurvedic products makes them potentially harmful. A study published in the August 27, 2008, issue of the Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA), demonstrated that
one-fifth of U.S.-manufactured and Indian-manufactured Ayurvedic products bought on the Internet contained detectable lead, mercury, or arsenic.
Researchers found 25 Web sites selling Ayurvedic products. After identifying 673 products,
they randomly selected 230 for purchase. Of those, they received and analyzed 193 products. Nearly 21 percent were found to contain detectable levels of lead, mercury, or arsenic.
All metal-containing products exceeded one or more standards for acceptable daily metal intake. The researchers concluded that several Indian-manufactured products could result in lead and/or mercury ingestions 100 to 100,000 times greater than acceptable limits.
This study followed a previous study published in JAMA on December 15, 2004, which found that one out of five Ayurvedic "herbal medicine products" produced in South Asia and available in South Asian grocery stores in Boston contained potentially harmful levels of lead, mercury, and/or arsenic.
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What you don't seem to get is my focus is CHOICE. I could give a [censored] what you think. But you seem to feel we should all be forced to follow what ever is the 'medicine du jour'. Next year all the recommendations will all be different.
Pretty sure the "medicine du jour" for bacterial infections has been an appropriately targeted antibiotic or in some case a broad spectrum antibiotic for quite some time. Of course I assume you'd dismiss them too based on their "side effects" particularly since the broad spectrum ones can kill off beneficial flora and fauna of the human intestinal tract causing temporary constipation or diarrhea until the flora and fauna re-establish themselves.
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I personally think oxycodone is a blight on the face of the earth. And ibuprofen is the most effective pain reliever I've ever eaten.
I have taken thousands of milligrams per day by prescription decades ago and my liver is just fine. I just used it after oral surgery and it was many times better than the oxy-whatever they prescribed me. But that was me. I would never try and tell you that you should only eat one thing for YOUR pains. And I wasn't out back in my yard picking nuts and berries. When the medicine is right for ME I'll take it IF I CHOOSE.
Ibuprofen causes kidney damage not liver damage... but if you as you have so many time suggested "Googled it"
you'd know that. Acetaminophen is what affects the liver.
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The deaths are there and well documented, yet virtually no one dies from a supplement. It's not rocket science.
You do realize how disingenuous that is, right? Its not rocket science to understand that death by supplements is impossible to track as there isn't exactly a prescription trail for those supplements. Its also more the case of death by choosing supplements to treat problems that could have easily been cured or at least controlled by scientifically based medicine.
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And Big Pharma is exactly as represented. They only produce MONEY, and their focus is profit. Just like any other biz with stockholders. Frankly I'm fine with it. But I don't want them taking away our alternatives as they surely will if they can. In this country the special interest group with the money writes their own legislation and then buys a Congressman.
You think alternative medicine and supplements aren't all about the money? Wow. Now there's some critical thinking.
Originally Posted By: Al
This question has been asked a number of times with no avail except:
Originally Posted By: SteveSRT8
Can you hit Google?
you are just presenting him a a platform to repeat the same old diatribe,without responding directly to direct questions.
Time to close this thread IMHO
Come on, its at least entertaining to watch someone with no factual support for their argument keep dragging out the "Google it" schtick.
eaths tied to prescription drug overdoses have doubled in the last decade and now outnumber traffic fatalities for the first time since the government started tracking drug-induced deaths in 1979, according to a Los Angeles Times analysis of data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
