Does Pennzoil Ultra contain PAO's?

[saturnfire0]

I think people get wrapped up in the seq. of the numbers when it comes to oil groups without thinking.

For ex. Group VI has to be better than Group 3. And group V has to be better than VI.

And that thought gets worse with cost of the product on the shelf has well. Is it better than PP Blah Blah

My point is we are not buying groups we are buying a product. For all we know Pennzoil's could have put a lot of expensive additives in PU.

Finally I respect Pennzoil for telling the public what is basically in PU but, you got to be kidding if they were going to tell you an secrets about it.

 

[orlzx6r]

Originally Posted By: orlzx6r
Just looking at the Material Safety Data Sheet for PU 5W-30 and it indicates it contains a "blend of polyolefins, hydrocarbon solvents and additives."

http://www.epc.shell.com/Docs/GSAP_msds_00061491.PDF

Are polyolefins a general term for polyalphaolefins (PAO's)?


This got off topic really fast. Thank you to the few people who took the original question seriously.

 

[SilverC6]

Originally Posted By: rewote500
Originally Posted By: NightRiderQ45
Grp III, really see no difference in protection/cleaning in PU vs PP. PU will not do anything that PP hasn't.


I agree. Why buy PU for $28 when you can get PP for $22 which works just as well. They should have marketed PU as an extended drain oil. With Mobil 1 at $23.50 and using PAO and Ester it would also be a better deal than PU. I also find it funny how people hate Castrol over the Group III fiasco and have no problem with Pennzoil using it.


You could take this further and state that YBP does everything your engine needs so why spend the extra dough.

 

[rewote500]

Originally Posted By: SilverC6
Originally Posted By: rewote500
Originally Posted By: NightRiderQ45
Grp III, really see no difference in protection/cleaning in PU vs PP. PU will not do anything that PP hasn't.


I agree. Why buy PU for $28 when you can get PP for $22 which works just as well. They should have marketed PU as an extended drain oil. With Mobil 1 at $23.50 and using PAO and Ester it would also be a better deal than PU. I also find it funny how people hate Castrol over the Group III fiasco and have no problem with Pennzoil using it.


You could take this further and state that YBP does everything your engine needs so why spend the extra dough.



Possibly. Dealing with dinos is quite simple as all are Group II oils. Comparison among synthetics is a bit more difficult though with the Group III, IV, and V base stocks. I personally believe the Group III's should not be called synthetics but rather synthetic blends. That would alleviate a lot of the confusion in regards to synthetic oils.

 

[rewote500]

Originally Posted By: saturnfire0
I think people get wrapped up in the seq. of the numbers when it comes to oil groups without thinking.

For ex. Group VI has to be better than Group 3. And group V has to be better than VI.

And that thought gets worse with cost of the product on the shelf has well. Is it better than PP Blah Blah

My point is we are not buying groups we are buying a product. For all we know Pennzoil's could have put a lot of expensive additives in PU.

Finally I respect Pennzoil for telling the public what is basically in PU but, you got to be kidding if they were going to tell you an secrets about it.


That's like saying we are not buying engines, we are buying cars.

 

[d00df00d]

Originally Posted By: rewote500
That's like saying we are not buying engines, we are buying cars.

That's exactly what I thought we were doing. Did I miss a memo or something?

 

[crazyoildude]

Good idea johnny i have someone working at my engine shop that knows more about oil than the people that make it also he knows more about engines than anyone else in the shop most of us have been rebuilding engines for about 20 years give or take but he knows more than anyone after all he just turned 19 so he must know... He also knows more about engines than the people that designed them,,, He said so..This is of course my son.. Oh and i did not ask him but im sure he knows more about cleaning up the shop than anyone there so he will be doing that tomorrow but its totally up to him he can always take the bus to school..
Im sure he will see this post and im sure he knows if he is sick tomorrow i understand he will have to stay home and then he wont need the car.
Great kid but lots of drama and excuses

 

[rewote500]

Originally Posted By: d00df00d
Originally Posted By: rewote500
That's like saying we are not buying engines, we are buying cars.

That's exactly what I thought we were doing. Did I miss a memo or something?


Well I don't know about you dude food, but when I buy a car I want to know if it is a 4 cylinder, V-6, or V-8. I want to know how many mpg and how much horsepower. I also want to know if the engine has a questionable history like say the 2.7L Dodge sludger. Engines are an important aspect of my decision to buy a car just as base oils play a large part in my decision to buy an oil. They DO matter. Yeah, maybe any oil can take a car to 200K with proper maintenance but then again any car can take you from Seattle to New York. Yet some people still buy BMW's instead of Kia's, right? Why, because some things like high end cars and high end base oils do the job better and are worth the extra cash.

 

[postjeeprcr]

Originally Posted By: tenderloin
Johnny

IMO with some, it is all about the price....regardless of the item. If they do not think it is high enough value, something of need, or even if they cannot afford it, then some will trash a product rather then just not purchase it and stay on the sideline.

You can also figure out many peoples response by the vehicle(s) they list even before you read their response.


That is very true and two in this thread start with a Q

 

[demarpaint]

Originally Posted By: postjeeprcr
Originally Posted By: tenderloin
Johnny

IMO with some, it is all about the price....regardless of the item. If they do not think it is high enough value, something of need, or even if they cannot afford it, then some will trash a product rather then just not purchase it and stay on the sideline.

You can also figure out many peoples response by the vehicle(s) they list even before you read their response.


That is very true and two in this thread start with a Q


+1.........Lets give PU some time, I'm pretty sure it will prove itself. If not it will certainly get trashed here. LOL

 

[d00df00d]

Originally Posted By: rewote500
when I buy a car I want to know if it is a 4 cylinder, V-6, or V-8. I want to know how many mpg and how much horsepower. I also want to know if the engine has a questionable history like say the 2.7L Dodge sludger. Engines are an important aspect of my decision to buy a car just as base oils play a large part in my decision to buy an oil. They DO matter. Yeah, maybe any oil can take a car to 200K with proper maintenance but then again any car can take you from Seattle to New York. Yet some people still buy BMW's instead of Kia's, right? Why, because some things like high end cars and high end base oils do the job better and are worth the extra cash.

You're so close to understanding the point here, it almost hurts.

Let's say you're looking at a car that has all the power you want, gets 40 mpg, has space for you and everything/everyone you want to carry, drives smoothly, handles well, is easy to maintain, will last forever, and comes in at just the right price. You're ready to buy it. Then you find out it has a turbocharged 3-cylinder engine instead of a V6 or a V8. Would you not buy it then?

 

[NightRiderQ45]

Originally Posted By: rewote500
Originally Posted By: NightRiderQ45
Grp III, really see no difference in protection/cleaning in PU vs PP. PU will not do anything that PP hasn't.


I agree. Why buy PU for $28 when you can get PP for $22 which works just as well. They should have marketed PU as an extended drain oil. With Mobil 1 at $23.50 and using PAO and Ester it would also be a better deal than PU. I also find it funny how people hate Castrol over the Group III fiasco and have no problem with Pennzoil using it.

Don't say this. You will be burned alive for this comment lol. People will search deeply to disprove another brand but won't look at the obvious with Pennzoil. Even the "new sherrif" thread showed that MC5k was one if not the best dino on the market, but people stated, "numbers don't mean anything"...
Originally Posted By: Johnny
Originally Posted By: NightRiderQ45
Grp III, really see no difference in protection/cleaning in PU vs PP. PU will not do anything that PP hasn't.


Maybe you should send an email to the four folks that answered the PU questions and tell them they do not know what they are talking about and they are just spinning their wheels. Fire the bunch I say and hire some tribologist that know what they are doing.

Please quit being defensive and read my question. I never stated that they didn't know what they were talking about. Please explain to me how engines will last any longer using PU vs. PP (especially knowing for a fact that DINO will do the job). PP is a great oil, it cleans very well, so tell me how PU will make an engine last longer. They stated that it was mostly composed of Group III right, so how can PU protect/clean an engine any better than Group III PP if both oils were changed in 8k oci's for example. I don't care about the higher TBN because they DIDN'T market this oil for longer drain intervals, but better cleaning!! I just don't feel it's worth the extra change...especially when PP is $20 in my area!

And for the posters that stated you can determine someone answer by their cars listed, please explain yourself? I purchased my $45k Infiniti brand new and I took great care of it and it still operates just fine? I'm blessed with the salary and portfolio to go purchase any $45-50k car right now IF I WANTED to but why? Cars are NOT an investment so please don't make asinine comments to that nature again! At the end of the day, it's oil; it's not that serious! Some of you really need lay off sniffing oil, it kills brain cells.

 

[Samilcar]

Originally Posted By: NightRiderQ45
At the end of the day, it's oil; it's not that serious!


Blasphemy!

 

[NightRiderQ45]

Originally Posted By: Samilcar
Originally Posted By: NightRiderQ45
At the end of the day, it's oil; it's not that serious!


Blasphemy!

lol!

 

[addyguy]

We're not even giving this oil a chance - wait until some UOA's come in. While not perfect data, it's better than rampant speculation. The hype on here about PU is insane.....

 

[rewote500]

Originally Posted By: d00df00d
Originally Posted By: rewote500
when I buy a car I want to know if it is a 4 cylinder, V-6, or V-8. I want to know how many mpg and how much horsepower. I also want to know if the engine has a questionable history like say the 2.7L Dodge sludger. Engines are an important aspect of my decision to buy a car just as base oils play a large part in my decision to buy an oil. They DO matter. Yeah, maybe any oil can take a car to 200K with proper maintenance but then again any car can take you from Seattle to New York. Yet some people still buy BMW's instead of Kia's, right? Why, because some things like high end cars and high end base oils do the job better and are worth the extra cash.

You're so close to understanding the point here, it almost hurts.

Let's say you're looking at a car that has all the power you want, gets 40 mpg, has space for you and everything/everyone you want to carry, drives smoothly, handles well, is easy to maintain, will last forever, and comes in at just the right price. You're ready to buy it. Then you find out it has a turbocharged 3-cylinder engine instead of a V6 or a V8. Would you not buy it then?

 

[d00df00d]

I know, right?

 

[postjeeprcr]

Originally Posted By: demarpaint
Originally Posted By: postjeeprcr
Originally Posted By: tenderloin
Johnny

IMO with some, it is all about the price....regardless of the item. If they do not think it is high enough value, something of need, or even if they cannot afford it, then some will trash a product rather then just not purchase it and stay on the sideline.

You can also figure out many peoples response by the vehicle(s) they list even before you read their response.


That is very true and two in this thread start with a Q


+1.........Lets give PU some time, I'm pretty sure it will prove itself. If not it will certainly get trashed here. LOL


I am giving time, I am not making any comments on how it will do. I just find it funny the people that bash it before anything has been seen.

 

[synthetic_crazy]

I emailed Pennzoil to ask them if their Ultra contained PAO's. Here was their reply:
"Thank you for your interest in our products.
The Pennzoil Ultra Full Synthetic Motor Oils contain
polyalphaolefins.
Sincerely
Produc Technical Service, ah"

 

[mechanicx]

That's strange. In the Pennzoil Q&A they said it is group III. I tend to believe it over anything else.

" Are the base stocks group III, IV, or V?

Pennzoil Ultra™ is blended with Group III base stocks. These give superior solvency performance to Group IV base stocks, which we believe aids our aim to provide oil that delivers as close to “Factory Clean”. Rather than focus on any single component in the formulation, we focus on the end product."