Does Amsoil need a BETTER x40 Euro Oil?

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It seems to me that their AFL could use an upgrade. It's by no means a bad oil, but it behaves very similarly to M1 0w40. It shears a bit for improved fuel economy. Whether people want to believe it or not, oils that are extremely shear stable offer poor fuel economy.

I'd like to see a Euro 0w-40 from Amsoil that is more robust then their AFL product.
 
Not for me, just in general. Seems to be one of their less impressive oils.
 
Too Slick even said once that it contains Group III. No evidence, but I agree the latest AFL and M1 0W-40 are very, very similar.

I don't think it's a secret any more that Amsoil is coming out with another Euro oil.
 
Originally Posted By: Pablo
Too Slick even said once that it contains Group III. No evidence, but I agree the latest AFL and M1 0W-40 are very, very similar.

I don't think it's a secret any more that Amsoil is coming out with another Euro oil.


They are? When and what specs?
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Originally Posted By: buster
It seems to me that their AFL could use an upgrade. It's by no means a bad oil, but it behaves very similarly to M1 0w40. It shears a bit for improved fuel economy. Whether people want to believe it or not, oils that are extremely shear stable offer poor fuel economy.

I'd like to see a Euro 0w-40 from Amsoil that is more robust then their AFL product.


Mmmm an Amsoil Euro or API 0w40
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All the Euro 5w40s and 0w40s should behave similar, they meet the same specs.

In a way, the Euro specs it meets hamper the performance. Additive level, visco and HTHS parameters.

The 5w40 oils that don't shear tend to be overbuilt API oils (Redline, Amsoil DEO, T6, D1 ESP / TDT etc).

With the exception of Motul, what Euro 5w40s out there are shear-stable?
 
Yeah a 5w30 Euro oil I believe. I'm sure it will be top shelf.
 
Originally Posted By: BobFout
Originally Posted By: buster
It seems to me that their AFL could use an upgrade. It's by no means a bad oil, but it behaves very similarly to M1 0w40. It shears a bit for improved fuel economy. Whether people want to believe it or not, oils that are extremely shear stable offer poor fuel economy.

I'd like to see a Euro 0w-40 from Amsoil that is more robust then their AFL product.


Mmmm an Amsoil Euro or API 0w40
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All the Euro 5w40s and 0w40s should behave similar, they meet the same specs.

In a way, the Euro specs it meets hamper the performance. Additive level, visco and HTHS parameters.

The 5w40 oils that don't shear tend to be overbuilt API oils (Redline, Amsoil DEO, T6, D1 ESP / TDT etc).

With the exception of Motul, what Euro 5w40s out there are shear-stable?


That's true, as part of it comes down to the restrictions imposed on the oil makers to satisfy the EPA etc. I think RL 5w40 has a HT/HS of 4.8 or something ridiculous like that.
 
Originally Posted By: buster
Yeah a 5w30 Euro oil I believe. I'm sure it will be top shelf.


*drool* HDD or this new oil...hmmmm....
 
Originally Posted By: buster
I wonder if it will be like M1 5w30 ESP?


I suspect it will. You can only do so much to have an oil meet VW 507.00/504.00, MB 229.51/229.31 and BMW LL04. (and the associated ACEA specs)
 
A bit of a long post...but might help someone out there...includes stats on several recent OA.

So let me defend the current formula of AMSoil a little. I've done a ton of research on this website and others before and after I purchased my Audi S4. I decided on 2 oils that meet the vw502 standard. GC and AMSoil Euro 5w40. I've done oil analysis each time I've changed the oil. After the engine was well broken in I did a comparison at ~2,500 miles between the GC and AMSoil. Blackstone did the analysis. The GC had a higher TBN number compared to the AMSoil...8.2 GC vs 6.2 AMSoil.

But the wear metals were slightly improved on the AMSoil. VW recommends 10,000 mile change intervals. I'm going to be doing 5,000 mile intervals for the time being until I see how the oil holds up over longer periods. I enjoy changing my own oil so early oil changes are not a big deal. The additive package on the AMSoil probably starts out about 5 points lower than the GC. I know AMSoil starts at 8 for a TBN where GC, I'm guessing is around a 12 or 13.

But for right now, since I'm going to do 5,000 mile OCI I'm not as concerned about a slightly lower TBN. I'm more concerned about the wear metals and the AMSoil, shearing or not, is beating what many people believe to be the end all be all in oil...GC.

Blackstone has commented that they LOVE both oils...both have benefits, maybe a newer formual of the AMSoil will improve on it's shortcomings, but for now, IMO, it's the best oil for my new S4.

Just my 2 cents...below are the Blackstone comments the results of all my OA on this car so far...

DAN: You can see the difference in oils by looking at the additive package. Here calcium, magnesium, phosphorous, and zinc are all at lower levels. If we compare this sample to the last one, we see that after a similar oil change interval, most wear metals improved. These aren't terribly big improvements, but every little bit helps, especially if this oil is cheaper. The TBN read 6.2, so it is likely the TBN doesn't start out as high, which fits with the lower levels of additive. Everything looks good here and we think you could easily go 4,500 miles next time.

1st number is the oil change at 7,636 miles (AMSoil Euro 5w40)
2nd number is oil change at 5,293 miles (GC)
3rd number is oil change at 2,850 miles (GC)
4th number is my first oil change at 1,566 miles (factory fill)
5th number is my S4 Average
6th number is the universal average for all S4's they've tested with the 3.0 TFSI engine.

Aluminum 2 3 3 5 3 3
Chromium 0 0 0 0 0 0
Iron 7 10 8 18 11 14
Copper 6 8 8 25 11 7
Lead 0 0 1 1 0 1
Tin 2 6 0 2 3 2
Molybdenum 0 0 1 0 0 24
Nickel 0 0 0 0 0 1
Manganese 1 2 3 12 4 2
Silver 0 0 0 0 0 0
Titanium 0 0 0 0 0 0
Potassium 0 2 1 4 2 2
Boron 45 4 11 58 24 34
Silicon 8 13 19 67 24 11
Sodium 3 4 3 5 4 5
Calcium 1736 2004 1749 1867 1872 1989
Magnesium 14 504 402 11 307 322
Phosphorus 747 933 862 735 842 812
Zinc 890 1231 1060 951 1073 1011
Barium 0 0 0 0 0 0


AMSoil Stats....

SUS Viscosity @ 210°F 63.4
cSt Viscosity @ 100°C 11.16
Flashpoint in °F 415 >365
Fuel % Antifreeze % 0.0 0.0
Water % 0.0 Insolubles % 0.2 TBN 6.2
 
Originally Posted By: buster
It seems to me that their AFL could use an upgrade. It's by no means a bad oil, but it behaves very similarly to M1 0w40. It shears a bit for improved fuel economy. Whether people want to believe it or not, oils that are extremely shear stable offer poor fuel economy.

I'd like to see a Euro 0w-40 from Amsoil that is more robust then their AFL product.


The original AFL was actually a more robust oil. It was reformulated for 505.01 standard, which exhibited the early shearing, so that it would thicken over time with soot back to around a 40 weight

There is always DEO to use instead
 
My next oil change I am going with the Amsoil Euro 5W-40. So, we'll see if I notice a difference. For the last 30K I have been running whatever Kuni BMW says is there BMW 5W-30 full synthetic. Last time I was in there for an oil change, I asked them if I could bring in my own oil, they said no problem. YES! This may be old news, since I haven't been on here for a while, but today I noticed Walmart is carrying Castrol Edge 5W-30, I haven't been able to find until today. I ended up grabbing (3) qts. of Castrol Edge 10W-30 for my lawnmower, generator, and pressure washer. : ) I LOVE CHANGING OIL........if you guys have noticed.
 
Amsoil is not VW 502 approved. AFAIK Amsoil has no Euro car maker oil approval and very limited API approval on only a few products.

That being said a UOA can not tell you how any oil actually lubricates your engine. To determine actual oil performance in your engine you need to conduct the proper oil test sequence such as the VW 502 for this application. A UOA tells you what the proper OCI is, not how the oil actually performs in your engine.

http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/cms/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=69:used-oil-analysis-uoas-and-the-results&catid=40:articles-of-the-month&Itemid=71
 
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I've been lurking on this board for a while. This is my first post.

I sent an email to Amsoil technical support in July and received a reply that the new European 5W-30 oil will be announced in late summer, so I guess that means any time soon.
 
Originally Posted By: bimmerdriver
I've been lurking on this board for a while. This is my first post.

I sent an email to Amsoil technical support in July and received a reply that the new European 5W-30 oil will be announced in late summer, so I guess that means any time soon.


Pablo or Gary, any inside insight (say that 5 times fast!) on this?
 
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