Do ya'll tip on Non Self-Serve Gas States

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I've lived in NJ my entire 50 years and have pumped my own gas the majority of time. And even if the attendent puts the fuel nozzle in the vehicle and walks away I usually change the fill speed, always too fast, and take the nozzle out of the filler when it's done. If the attendent insists on doing it I'm there watching him and always tell him when to stop. And then I thank him and wish him a pleasant day/night/evening
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. In NJ it's a state law that all gas stations and convenience stores have to be owned by foreign born people that speak English as a second or third language. The only exception is if they can't find a foreigner then a native born American can own the station or convenience store. It's rare but it does happen. Usually if it's out in the "boonies", like where I live
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Originally posted by k1xv:
First of all, you assume a 20 to 30 cent difference. The difference between Vermont gas prices and NJ prices is more on the order of a nickel or so.

Second, in NJ, at a busy station, you may wait up to 5 minutes before an attendant even comes to your vehicle. He starts the pump up, wanders away, and does not return for maybe another 5 minutes. During that time, the pump may have a false trip, and you either have to go out to restart it yourself, or wait for him to return to restart it, after which he wanders away again for a second time.

Then the aforementioned going away out of sight with your credit card, vs. paying at the pump at a self serve, where the credit card never leaves your hand. Then you wait another 3 minutes or so for him to process the card, and return with a slip for you to pay.

So you would prefer to spend all this time buying gas so that someone else will pump it for you???
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Funny how Ive lived in NJ all my life (my location below is off, for reasons I will not get into), and have never found much of a time savings in doing it myself (which I can at a number of stations I frequent, and I do in other states). I guess Ive just always picked the right stations, and dont get fuel on the turnpike, where the service is horrible. Ive never had a 5 minute wait on either end, and have never had an issue. I grew up 5 miles from NYC, in north jersey., Youd think if the pumps are going to be crowded and take a while, it would happen there. Odd, but it just doesnt. False trips are rare, cant remember the last time that happened. And even if I did get out to restart it, or to complete the pumping and put the nozzle away, Im not doing anything more than I would in a self serve joint anyway. So whats the issue?

I know to look over my CC statement every month for odd purchases. Ive never had one, and my parents have never had one either. Theyve bought all their gas with CCs for at least the last 10 years, probably more, Ive bought with my CC for as long as Ive been able to drive (since 97). On no account have we ever had an odd charge. If I did, Id know, and I would be protected by the CC company.

You can come up with a million scenarios for every possible bad thing that goes wrong. IMO, you have a higher chance of someone with a cameraphone taking a snapshot of your CC numbers in a store than you do from a criminal vendor at a place of business.

Maybe VT does have relatively cheap gas, I dont know. What I do know is that DE and PA prices are 10-20 cents more expensive, and depending upon where you get gas, can be 20c or more per gallon more expensive. And I only buy at name brand stations. That said, the official state average gas prices have NJ listed at $1.92, DE at $1.94 and PA at $1.95. VT is listed at $2.01. I know or a fact, since im in each of the first three states daily, that these prices dont accurately reflect what I wopuld typically find if I needed fuel. So I have to guess that the VT price is quite a bit more than NJ, but you say you know because you are in both states, so be it.

All I know if I bought conoco (top tier fuel) for $1.679 per gallon today in NJ. The cheapest I saw in DE today was $1.799, with most more like $1.859 or higher.

Last I checked, I saved $3.40 per tank buying in NJ. Even if I wasted 10 minutes at the station because they were pumping it for me (which I dont spend anywhere near that much time geting ~20 gals), I still saved that much, and week by week, it adds up. I dont care about self serve vs full serve, Id pump it if I had to. But I can save some money and avoid breathing so many fumes, which is beneficial in my book.

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JHZR2, living in Oregon I have to wait longer than I should all the time. Just yesterday I was at a gas station that only had 3 cars and 3 attendents. About a full minute after my tank was full, I had to yell at the idiot to come over and take it out because he was over having a conversation with the other 3 attendents.
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That kind of thing happens ALL the time around here. And in my Cherokee, the pump clicks off early about 50% of the time. Also the gas prices here are usually about $0.05 higher than just over the boarder in Washington...
 
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Originally posted by ZmOz:
JHZR2, living in Oregon I have to wait longer than I should all the time. Just yesterday I was at a gas station that only had 3 cars and 3 attendents. About a full minute after my tank was full, I had to yell at the idiot to come over and take it out because he was over having a conversation with the other 3 attendents.
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That kind of thing happens ALL the time around here. And in my Cherokee, the pump clicks off early about 50% of the time. Also the gas prices here are usually about $0.05 higher than just over the boarder in Washington...


Well that sucks!!!!

Good reason to be upset about full serve.
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JMH
 
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I haven't seen a service station attendant since the late 70's. Back then we had independent gas stations. "Bob's Gas Station" where Bob the owner came out and pumped your fuel and brought you your change. No tips even then.
 
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Maybe VT does have relatively cheap gas, I dont know. What I do know is that DE and PA prices are 10-20 cents more expensive, and depending upon where you get gas, can be 20c or more per gallon more expensive. And I only buy at name brand stations. That said, the official state average gas prices have NJ listed at $1.92, DE at $1.94 and PA at $1.95. VT is listed at $2.01. I know or a fact, since im in each of the first three states daily, that these prices dont accurately reflect what I wopuld typically find if I needed fuel. So I have to guess that the VT price is quite a bit more than NJ, but you say you know because you are in both states, so be it.

All I know if I bought conoco (top tier fuel) for $1.679 per gallon today in NJ. The cheapest I saw in DE today was $1.799, with most more like $1.859 or higher.

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You are trying to justify your original 20-30 cent figure by comparing the lowest NJ price to average prices elsewhere. Statistically irrelevant. You have to make a head to head comparison. By using the averages, you have VT only 9 cents more expensive than NJ, and by using lowest prices, NJ vs DE, you have NJ 12 cents less expensive.

We have no refineries in Vermont, so there is a transportation cost difference I am sure, and I don't know what the difference in taxes are.

The Conoco you refer to must be the one near the Delaware Memorial Bridge, and it is about the cheapest branded station in the state. Also, South Jersey gas prices are lower than North Jersey gas prices, but the majority of the NJ population is in North Jersey.

For my own anecdotal evidence, I purchased gas today, Mobil Regular, for $1.799, paid at the pump, and was in and out very quickly.
 
OK, so at 9 cents more, that equates to almost $2 per fillup. Over the course of a year that will add up...

In my saab this past Wed I filled up for $1.899 for premium at said conoco station. My brother (who lives in north Jersey) filled his car up with 93 on Friday, for $1.93 for premium. Got to know where to go.

From my own anecdotal evidence, Ill say that just outside of Philly, on the NJ side, I saw regular gas for $1.719... Just north of wilmington, between Wilmington, DE and Philadelphia, I saw multiple stations that were selling for $1.90+

Ill keep having my gas pumped, keeping my hands from stinking like fuel, breathing in excess gas fumes, and pay less at the same time. since gas station attendants apparently take "10 minutes" per fillup and youre sooooo busy that you cant take the time, then go ahead and pay more for less service. Its no harm to me. Forget the fact that contrary to popular belief, a LOT of attendants are high school kids or people who need to make a few extra bucks, not just foreigners.

Funny how people are willing to wait 10 minutes in line to get an overpriced cup of coffee at starbucks, but make a fuss when fuel is being pumped for them - good service or bad, if the fuel is cheaper than in other places, there isnt much reason to complain
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Enough of this. Ill just take my saved dollars and be on my merry way. I dont want to cause a big argument... Any time anything about NJ is involved in a discussion, arguments usually erupt
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JMH
 
I am not arguing, but it is illogical to believe that self service gas is more expensive than full service gas. If that were true, in states where both is available (and all other costs of doing business the same, such as gasoline taxes and delivery costs), self serve would be more expensive than full serve, which it is not.

If you had the option of pumping your own in NJ, the gas prices there would be even lower, at least at the self serve pumps.

By the way, I tracked down the source of at least 5.5 cents per gallon of that difference between Vermont gas prices and NJ gas prices. Vermont gasoline taxes are 20 cents per gallon, and NJ taxes are 14.5 cents per gallon.

http://www.lmoga.com/taxrates.htm
 
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Originally posted by k1xv:
I am not arguing, but it is illogical to believe that self service gas is more expensive than full service gas. If that were true, in states where both is available (and all other costs of doing business the same, such as gasoline taxes and delivery costs), self serve would be more expensive than full serve, which it is not.

If you had the option of pumping your own in NJ, the gas prices there would be even lower, at least at the self serve pumps.

By the way, I tracked down the source of at least 5.5 cents per gallon of that difference between Vermont gas prices and NJ gas prices. Vermont gasoline taxes are 20 cents per gallon, and NJ taxes are 14.5 cents per gallon.

http://www.lmoga.com/taxrates.htm


Youre right, it is illogical to think that self serve is inherently more expensive than full serve.

And youre right, if it wasnt full serve, it would be cheaper.

but the fact that a service is provided (as useless as it may actually be!) and it is still cheaper is pretty good, IMO.

One way or another, Im going to appreciate the money I save buying in NJ. ANd for the record, at most every station I frequent, it is teenager kids or old men working the pumps. I dont mind giving them a few bucks; in fact Im glad theyre earning a few bucks to spend.

JMH
 
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