Difference between budget friendly and Higher priced oil

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Oil changes are so cheap… and on the bottle somewhere it’ll say 20k mile oci, or one year AND follow OEM’s oil change interval.

And then if you do extended oci’s you have to pay money for a UOA..

I like 25$ VOA’s though to see additive levels and kinematic viscosity
I would think more frequent oil changes with low cost synthetic oil is better for the engine than extended oil changes with UOA's.
 
Oil changes are so cheap… and on the bottle somewhere it’ll say 20k mile oci, or one year AND follow OEM’s oil change interval.

And then if you do extended oci’s you have to pay money for a UOA..

I like 25$ VOA’s though to see additive levels and kinematic viscosity
Sure, a little more upfront cost. Once it is established that the oil can be extended a good deal, then the cost goes DOWN over following intervals. This has been beat down on this site too.
 
Being the Amsoil guy I am. I haven’t been in Walmarts oil section since 2020. I bought two jugs M1 EP for my 2024 Tundra. I’m doing 5K changes. One by me and the other by the dealer. Prepaid maintenance till 85K. Since M1 makes the Toyota oil I wanted something close to it. After the 85K I may wake up and save a few bucks with Walmarts oil selection.
 
No difference at all.

So many people here STILL confuse properly extended OCIs and a lubricant suited to the task , with lack of maintenance.
Agreed. Amsoil and HPL can do extended OCI safely.

The only caveaot is that many modern cars have fuel dilution issues, and the only way to remove the fuel from the oil
is to change the oil frequently. Oil with fuel dilution is going to cause a lot more engine wear than fresh oil.
 
Agreed. Amsoil and HPL can do extended OCI safely.

The only caveaot is that many modern cars have fuel dilution issues, and the only way to remove the fuel from the oil
is to change the oil frequently. Oil with fuel dilution is going to cause a lot more engine wear than fresh oil.
What cars exactly, experience fuel dilution? Because I thought that was more of a concern for GDI engine doing frequent short trips, excessive idling, stop and go traffic. Which I get it, that's many of us. I'm just curious because even when driving under those conditions, neither my 2017 Sonata not the 2019 Sportage appear to suffer from that. Never saw the oil leave change or smell especially foul with gasoline. Especially not the latter, between Uber Eats and 80 miles of highway speeds driving per work day.

Ill admit, I've never done an oil analysis, but my impression was that fuel dilution can be suspected just by the aforementioned signs.
 
doesn't matter. Every use case is different, but the results will be analogous; cheaper oil performs worse over time. You could have engines looking like those in under 100k miles aswell, with stuck rings and all.
I would like to see this same test conducted with a known oil burner (and overall liability) like the Theta II, same parameters and oils, but with a 5000-7500 mile OCI (the latter being the OCI recommended by H/K under "normal" driving conditions) over 450,000 miles or so before a tear down to see what took place inside.

Then put them back together, and for the last 4-5 oil changes (at least) use VRP before another year down to see what cleaning took place.
 
doesn't matter. Every use case is different, but the results will be analogous; cheaper oil performs worse over time. You could have engines looking like those in under 100k miles aswell, with stuck rings and all.
A lot of people would you agree with you (ex: the old addage: You get what you pay for).
Expensive oils shine if you are doing OCI's > 10,000 miles, or if your engine is particularily hard on the oil with high temps.

The evidence that I've seen in the extreme high mileage vehicles on forums and on social media shows
that the oil used doensn't matter. They all used cheap oil.

For example, take the Million Mile Honda Accord. "Joe" aka "Million Mile Joe" is the insurance claim adjuster, who changed his oil about every 5,500 miles with ordinary oil. There is a 1990 Honda Civic with 500,000 miles on youtube with a husband/wife traveling performers who are always on the road who changed the oil every 5,000 miles with ordinary oil.
If you look online at the cars going 300k+ miles, they all seem to use cheap oil.

Now if you go a step up from cheap oil, to at least a full synthetic Dexos 1 Gen 3 approved oil (Like SuperTech),
that should offer a cushion. My opinion is that if you went 300k miles since new with a SuperTech Dexos 1 Gen 3 approved oil with reasonable oil change intervals and did an engine tear down afterwards, you would have the identical outcome as compared with if you used any expensive oil.
 
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I would like to see this same test conducted with a known oil burner (and overall liability) like the Theta II, same parameters and oils, but with a 5000-7500 mile OCI (the latter being the OCI recommended by H/K under "normal" driving conditions) over 450,000 miles or so before a tear down to see what took place inside.

Then put them back together, and for the last 4-5 oil changes (at least) use VRP before another year down to see what cleaning took place.
Good luck finding one of those engines to last 450K...
 
What cars exactly, experience fuel dilution? Because I thought that was more of a concern for GDI engine doing frequent short trips, excessive idling, stop and go traffic. Which I get it, that's many of us. I'm just curious because even when driving under those conditions, neither my 2017 Sonata not the 2019 Sportage appear to suffer from that. Never saw the oil leave change or smell especially foul with gasoline. Especially not the latter, between Uber Eats and 80 miles of highway speeds driving per work day.

Ill admit, I've never done an oil analysis, but my impression was that fuel dilution can be suspected just by the aforementioned signs.
It can't hurt to have oil analysis done.

I don't know what the manual for your vehicles say, but my '19 Kia says 7500/yearly changes for normal use, or 3750/6 months for "severe" use. I think Hyundai/Kia regard the vast majority of us to be driving under "severe" use. I acquired the impression Hyundai/Kia are strict about preventive maintenance for warranty issues.
 
Is blend better for cleaning the engine internals? Also, is blend better for engine seals?
Most oils don’t actively clean, the detergents help to keep things clean. VRP is the only oil that’s easily accessible that has cleaning abilities.
 
Most oils don’t actively clean, the detergents help to keep things clean. VRP is the only oil that’s easily accessible that has cleaning abilities.
I think you meant to say 'piston deposit' cleaning ability'
All oils are (pretty much) easily accessible. Online sales even make the boutiques easily accessible.
 
I think you meant to say 'piston deposit' cleaning ability'
All oils are (pretty much) easily accessible. Online sales even make the boutiques easily accessible.
Nah, it’ll clean up more than just the pistons. Easily accessible aka available on the shelf at most most major retailers at a very fair price
 
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