Did the shop perform the work I paid for? Brake Flush and Oil Change with photos.

Just make sure you get documents, at least, to get warranty claims if needed.
This was the purpose of the work, for warranty really. I got all of the documents and have posted all the DIY oil changes on Honda's portal FWIW. I even videoed the DIY oil changes with UOAs and receipts. Paranoid? Yes but I don't want any funny business when it comes to warranty coverage with the 8 year policy.

The diff fluid had to be changed due to break in but the brake fluid I think is more of a mandatory $ generator for the dealers and liability protection for Honda.
 
Because for 99% of vehicle owners, it's all they can "check", presuming they check. They remove the cap, fluid looks clean and clear, they're happy.

Of course, but that doesn't make it right. My question was more along the lines of the practical benefit of replacing fluid in the reservoir only. I just don't see much benefit other than making quick money for the shop.
 
This was the purpose of the work, for warranty really. I got all of the documents and have posted all the DIY oil changes on Honda's portal FWIW. I even videoed the DIY oil changes with UOAs and receipts. Paranoid? Yes but I don't want any funny business when it comes to warranty coverage with the 8 year policy.

The diff fluid had to be changed due to break in but the brake fluid I think is more of a mandatory $ generator for the dealers and liability protection for Honda.
Proactive & responsible to protect oneself is more like it. (y)
 
Was this at the dealer? That is pretty much fraud. I hope they refunded you.

That's my concern here, even if they didn't perform the flush I think the system would be fine but still, it's the principle of getting what you paid for.
It was. If I remember correctly, they charged less than I expected so I just chalked it up as a learning experience. I believe I told the service manager "Really? I could've done that myself!" It was probably 10 years ago and I haven't taken an out of warranty car to the dealer for service since.
 
Yes they did the services. It's only a quart for the differential fluid. Oil is different and they would not tell me but found out they are back to mobil synthetic, not mobil 1. That is why it looks different. It's a little darker. Brake flush is required and I turned it down but might have them do it next oil change. Your brake pedal should be firmer. Keep the receipts.
 
Easily doable in under an hour. I can do those in under an hour on jack stands, so very easily doable on a lift.

A rinse with brake cleaner will remove all traces of brake fluid.

Honda 1.5t oil looks like diesel oil. New oil, even after a short runtime, will look like that.
I cry for 2 hours before I can even start doing work on a vehicle.
 
You got it. Progress.
I’ve owned more vehicles than I can count over 50 years of driving. Managed a government fleet of 1,000+ units over 26 years. The only moisture related problems I’ve seen is due to an ill fitting master cylinder cap. Flush on!
Leaking calipers and or wheel cylinders due to super heated braking during pursuits (fried)…..heck yes.
 
I’ve owned more vehicles than I can count over 50 years of driving. Managed a government fleet of 1,000+ units over 26 years. The only moisture related problems I’ve seen is due to an ill fitting master cylinder cap. Flush on!
Leaking calipers and or wheel cylinders due to super heated braking during pursuits (fried)…..heck yes.
Totally scientific on par: i am driving 50+ years and never been in accident, therefore no need for seat belts.
I think second career in brake components development is in line for you.
 
I remember seeing this episode too and it's really disappointing to hear.

What's the point of only replacing the fluid in the master cylinder? The fluid does not circulate in the brake system, so brake fluid in some of the most critical areas remains unchanged.
It looks clearer in the resevoir, and since 92.8% of drivers could not even find the master cylinder...its good enough
 
It looks clearer in the resevoir, and since 92.8% of drivers could not even find the master cylinder...its good enough
In many appliance vehicles it will be tucked in back under the windshield due to maximization of space.
In luxury vehicles there will be some cover over it so that under the hood looks clean.
Either way, many owners, 90% of them have no clue that part actually exists.
 
Oil color is believable, especially if the old oil was really dark. It doesn’t take much to darken fresh oil. That, and the oil is way too clear to be used.

brakes - if they use any pressure at all, there will some weepage at the threads. If they pull it with a vacuum, it could be that clean. The recommended interval is every 2 years, but admittedly our honda has such a tight brake system that even at (I’m almost embarrassed to admit this) 5 years the fluid looks good. the ford and Lexus have darkened their fluids much faster. It’s due, but I may be diy hiatus for a couple months while we hopefully move. The garage is all in boxes now.

id be suspicious that the brake was just a reservoir refill, which is just lame to me, IF that is the case.
 
I thought with that knowledgeable you are already working for Brembo, TMD, ATE or Akebono? If we don’t see new recommendation about lifetime brake fluid next year, we wasted great talent. I think actually they are afraid of your knowledge. Totally conspiracy.
Have you experienced problems in CO? Maybe for your track use?

I've never really bothered to flush my own vehicles and never had moisture related problems of which I am aware. On the Western Slope my whole life. Compared to much of the world it's very arid here. Not sure if humid environments increase the chances of hygroscopic fluid absorbing water, but seems to me like it would??
 
Have you experienced problems in CO? Maybe for your track use?

I've never really bothered to flush my own vehicles and never had moisture related problems of which I am aware. On the Western Slope my whole life. Compared to much of the world it's very arid here. Not sure if humid environments increase the chances of hygroscopic fluid absorbing water, but seems to me like it would??
I change fluid every two years in vehicles that I do not track. Therefore, I don’t have problems regardless of the fact that I drive in the mountains a lot.
Track? I flush fluid before each track event. That is tricky one bcs. regular fluid won’t cut it. Also, brake design plays big role. Generally Brembo calipers require higher boiling point than street fluid has.
Now, the question is whether moisture contributes to component failure? Yes. When something fails it could very well be because: i maintained 1,000 vehicles and never had issues. Usually components don’t tell why they failed. But, considering all science behind it, we know it does contribute.
 
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Proactive & responsible to protect oneself is more like it. (y)

With all due respect, how difficult is it, even if one has, IN THEORY, omitted to document maintenance, to just order stuff from Amazon, get a digital receipt for it, change a date on it via some free web tool that takes whole of 5 minutes and use free return — vs going through arduous practice of videoing and uploading oil changes and other maintenance work into some kind web portal and/or purposefully driving a vehicle to a dealer and shelling out $$ — ALL for “making sure” some theoretical, distant warranty claim that MIGHT be denied isn’t? This is equivalent to being paranoid about being struck by a meteorite on one’s way to pick up mail from the mailbox, which is possible by the way, but has never happened 😁

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It looks clearer in the resevoir, and since 92.8% of drivers could not even find the master cylinder...its good enough
With this way of thinking, it may be more effective to simply do nothing and bill the customer anyway. After all, the customer won’t check. Unfortunately this happens too.
 
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