Did my oil filter tear?!
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Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
Originally Posted By: Donald
Even if it tears its not a big deal. The oil will get filtered eventually in the next pass.
I like my coffee filters with tears in them too ... my teeth will filter out the grounds. If my teeth miss them, then I guess it's some good "roughage" for the system.
What could potentially be bad is torn edges of the media breaking off and going through the motor. Why take the chance? I can't believe guys still think using torn oil filters is just fine and dandy.
If he feels comfortable taking the (how ever small) risk, then great. If he's not feeling real lucky then swap it out. What makes you sleep good at night should be what actions you take in life.
Originally Posted By: Donald
Even if it tears its not a big deal. The oil will get filtered eventually in the next pass.
I like my coffee filters with tears in them too ... my teeth will filter out the grounds. If my teeth miss them, then I guess it's some good "roughage" for the system.
What could potentially be bad is torn edges of the media breaking off and going through the motor. Why take the chance? I can't believe guys still think using torn oil filters is just fine and dandy.
If he feels comfortable taking the (how ever small) risk, then great. If he's not feeling real lucky then swap it out. What makes you sleep good at night should be what actions you take in life.
Take it from a (rare) BITOG voice of reason-NO ONE has yet suffered engine damage from a "Tearolator"-I have cut several that I ran, I was not impressed with the seam pleat spacing, nor the flimsy media, but I had no tears, personally. I'm more disgusted with Mann & Hummel's LACK of response to the issue, than the issue itself-what would happen if a Puro filter actually had a catastrophic failure? Not much, they seem to not care at all about their product's flaws, as rare as some feel them to be.
Originally Posted By: Skittles
Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
Yeah, it's all in your head ... LoL. If it makes you feel better, then just change the filter and top off the oil if needed.
This is all made up ...
PS - there were actually quite a few that tore that didn't make it in the spreadsheet.
His filter is fine. Give it up.
I bet so too. Some folks are clearly pushing an agenda.
My advice to op is don't get sucked into the goofiness.
If I were you I'd keep the filter on and cut it open after your done.
I had a puro classic I took off after fallen victim to the propaganda.
Just recently cut it open after it sat outside for a year and a half. It looked great.
You can see it posted in the oil filter forum on here. Just look for a post by me with Purolator in the tittle
. I actually have anotherolder post of a puro classic I used to 15k as an ATF spin on filter and it looks great too.
Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
Yeah, it's all in your head ... LoL. If it makes you feel better, then just change the filter and top off the oil if needed.
This is all made up ...
PS - there were actually quite a few that tore that didn't make it in the spreadsheet.
His filter is fine. Give it up.
I bet so too. Some folks are clearly pushing an agenda.
My advice to op is don't get sucked into the goofiness.
If I were you I'd keep the filter on and cut it open after your done.
I had a puro classic I took off after fallen victim to the propaganda.
Just recently cut it open after it sat outside for a year and a half. It looked great.
You can see it posted in the oil filter forum on here. Just look for a post by me with Purolator in the tittle
^^^ Telling someone that using a Purolator could result in torn media is an agenda? LoL ... ya, right. I'd call that a fair warning. Isn't agenda your middle name?
It's the OP's decision on the info he sees here, and what makes him feel good and sleep well at night. IMO, it's safer to chuck the Tearolator and just spin something else on that's known not to fail. Leaving it on then cutting it open to find tears will just be one of these moments ...
It's the OP's decision on the info he sees here, and what makes him feel good and sleep well at night. IMO, it's safer to chuck the Tearolator and just spin something else on that's known not to fail. Leaving it on then cutting it open to find tears will just be one of these moments ...
^^ yes, coming from the likes of you, its likely agenda driven.
Originally Posted By: Bigdaddyeasy
^^ yes, coming from the likes of you, its likely agenda driven.
Let's see ...
I hardly ever say to anyone here to "use the Ultra", or to use Filter X or Filter Y. I challenge you to go find posts where I've even said it ... I hardly do at all. Many members here say it all the time, I don't. I have no agenda but to try and make sure information spewed out here is unbiased, accurate and fair.
You:
1) Suggest using Purolators even though you know they can tear, but won't mention the Ultra when everyone knows it's a great filter.
2) Badmouth Fram filters and claim their efficiency specs are all some kind of spooky lies.
3) Slander Jay (Motorking) who is a rep of Fram, and don't believe anything Jay says as far as how they test and rate efficiency.
4) Constantly always touting (with fanboysim/shillish style) how WIX and NAPA Gold are the supreme filter. They are OK, but hey there are plenty other out there that are better.
So who here has an agenda again?
^^ yes, coming from the likes of you, its likely agenda driven.
Let's see ...
I hardly ever say to anyone here to "use the Ultra", or to use Filter X or Filter Y. I challenge you to go find posts where I've even said it ... I hardly do at all. Many members here say it all the time, I don't. I have no agenda but to try and make sure information spewed out here is unbiased, accurate and fair.
You:
1) Suggest using Purolators even though you know they can tear, but won't mention the Ultra when everyone knows it's a great filter.
2) Badmouth Fram filters and claim their efficiency specs are all some kind of spooky lies.
3) Slander Jay (Motorking) who is a rep of Fram, and don't believe anything Jay says as far as how they test and rate efficiency.
4) Constantly always touting (with fanboysim/shillish style) how WIX and NAPA Gold are the supreme filter. They are OK, but hey there are plenty other out there that are better.
So who here has an agenda again?
Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
Originally Posted By: Bigdaddyeasy
^^ yes, coming from the likes of you, its likely agenda driven.
Let's see ...
I hardly ever say to anyone here to "use the Ultra", or to use Filter X or Filter Y. I challenge you to go find posts where I've even said it ... I hardly do at all. Many members here say it all the time, I don't. I have no agenda but to try and make sure information spewed out here is unbiased, accurate and fair.
You:
1) Suggest using Purolators even though you know they can tear, but won't mention the Ultra when everyone knows it's a great filter.
2) Badmouth Fram filters and claim their efficiency specs are all some kind of spooky lies.
3) Slander Jay (Motorking) who is a rep of Fram, and don't believe anything Jay says as far as how they test and rate efficiency.
4) Constantly always touting (with fanboysim/shillish style) how WIX and NAPA Gold are the supreme filter. They are OK, but hey there are plenty other out there that are better.
So who here has an agenda again?
Wrong, you look at my post. I compliment several filters even fu. I suggest wix/napa gold motorcraft, Bosch distance+, Mann, Hastings, Baldwin etc.
Typically our debates about FRAM are because you and a couple others make it a habit to troll wix/napagold threads.
Its apparently you that have an issue with wix/nappa.
I do not like tg or eg because they are cheap imo. I like fu but find it hard to bare you and a few others claiming it filters to an extent that its not speced to.
I gave motorking a chance to earn my business but he didn't wanna respond when it came to providing real verifiable facts. I find that distasteful.
Even if his filter had a tear it wouldn't hurt his car. I suggested he leave it on and cut and see. He'll be fine. I left one on for 15k as an ATF filter and posted.
I wonder more and more how many of those tears aren't manipulated by weirdos.
Originally Posted By: Bigdaddyeasy
^^ yes, coming from the likes of you, its likely agenda driven.
Let's see ...
I hardly ever say to anyone here to "use the Ultra", or to use Filter X or Filter Y. I challenge you to go find posts where I've even said it ... I hardly do at all. Many members here say it all the time, I don't. I have no agenda but to try and make sure information spewed out here is unbiased, accurate and fair.
You:
1) Suggest using Purolators even though you know they can tear, but won't mention the Ultra when everyone knows it's a great filter.
2) Badmouth Fram filters and claim their efficiency specs are all some kind of spooky lies.
3) Slander Jay (Motorking) who is a rep of Fram, and don't believe anything Jay says as far as how they test and rate efficiency.
4) Constantly always touting (with fanboysim/shillish style) how WIX and NAPA Gold are the supreme filter. They are OK, but hey there are plenty other out there that are better.
So who here has an agenda again?
Wrong, you look at my post. I compliment several filters even fu. I suggest wix/napa gold motorcraft, Bosch distance+, Mann, Hastings, Baldwin etc.
Typically our debates about FRAM are because you and a couple others make it a habit to troll wix/napagold threads.
Its apparently you that have an issue with wix/nappa.
I do not like tg or eg because they are cheap imo. I like fu but find it hard to bare you and a few others claiming it filters to an extent that its not speced to.
I gave motorking a chance to earn my business but he didn't wanna respond when it came to providing real verifiable facts. I find that distasteful.
Even if his filter had a tear it wouldn't hurt his car. I suggested he leave it on and cut and see. He'll be fine. I left one on for 15k as an ATF filter and posted.
I wonder more and more how many of those tears aren't manipulated by weirdos.
Originally Posted By: Bigdaddyeasy
Wrong, you look at my post. I compliment several filters even fu. I suggest wix/napa gold motorcraft, Bosch distance+, Mann, Hastings, Baldwin etc.
Typically our debates about FRAM are because you and a couple others make it a habit to troll wix/napagold threads.
Its apparently you that have an issue with wix/nappa.
I do not like tg or eg because they are cheap imo. I like fu but find it hard to bare you and a few others claiming it filters to an extent that its not speced to.
I gave motorking a chance to earn my business but he didn't wanna respond when it came to providing real verifiable facts. I find that distasteful.
Even if his filter had a tear it wouldn't hurt his car. I suggested he leave it on and cut and see. He'll be fine. I left one on for 15k as an ATF filter and posted.
I wonder more and more how many of those tears aren't manipulated by weirdos.
LOL ... "Its apparently you that have an issue with wix/nappa" ... dude, I use WIX and NAPA Gold. The only issue I have with them is they are living in Area 51 and are a bit too secretive about the performance of their filters. Read my signature ... it's true. I don't care what the brand name is on a filter, only what's inside and how those guts perform.
You are blatantly wrong in your understanding of filter efficiency testing and ratings. I'm afraid nobody can help you there because you are so blind to it all. You don't believe Fram's specs, yet you believe WIX who can't even give you a test spec. Blinders big time ... "Bigdaddyblinders". LoL
Maybe Jay is too busy to answer things that are answered right here by members on the board. I even linked a couple of threads where he said exactly what you were looking for. Don't be a prima donna, it's not very becoming - LoL. And as I suggested, email him, don't PM him through the board as he may never respond that way. But based on your whole anti-Fram attitude, I'm sure you would not believe anything he had to say anyway. Maybe he knows that, and is wise to not waste his time with you.
I'm sure the OP can make a decision based on HIS feeling about the Tearolator situation after seeing the data and reports. Maybe he'll do what a lot of use did ... tear that Tearolator off of there and spin on something more reliable. Or run it short and switch to something better at the next oil change.
Wrong, you look at my post. I compliment several filters even fu. I suggest wix/napa gold motorcraft, Bosch distance+, Mann, Hastings, Baldwin etc.
Typically our debates about FRAM are because you and a couple others make it a habit to troll wix/napagold threads.
Its apparently you that have an issue with wix/nappa.
I do not like tg or eg because they are cheap imo. I like fu but find it hard to bare you and a few others claiming it filters to an extent that its not speced to.
I gave motorking a chance to earn my business but he didn't wanna respond when it came to providing real verifiable facts. I find that distasteful.
Even if his filter had a tear it wouldn't hurt his car. I suggested he leave it on and cut and see. He'll be fine. I left one on for 15k as an ATF filter and posted.
I wonder more and more how many of those tears aren't manipulated by weirdos.
LOL ... "Its apparently you that have an issue with wix/nappa" ... dude, I use WIX and NAPA Gold. The only issue I have with them is they are living in Area 51 and are a bit too secretive about the performance of their filters. Read my signature ... it's true. I don't care what the brand name is on a filter, only what's inside and how those guts perform.
You are blatantly wrong in your understanding of filter efficiency testing and ratings. I'm afraid nobody can help you there because you are so blind to it all. You don't believe Fram's specs, yet you believe WIX who can't even give you a test spec. Blinders big time ... "Bigdaddyblinders". LoL
Maybe Jay is too busy to answer things that are answered right here by members on the board. I even linked a couple of threads where he said exactly what you were looking for. Don't be a prima donna, it's not very becoming - LoL. And as I suggested, email him, don't PM him through the board as he may never respond that way. But based on your whole anti-Fram attitude, I'm sure you would not believe anything he had to say anyway. Maybe he knows that, and is wise to not waste his time with you.
I'm sure the OP can make a decision based on HIS feeling about the Tearolator situation after seeing the data and reports. Maybe he'll do what a lot of use did ... tear that Tearolator off of there and spin on something more reliable. Or run it short and switch to something better at the next oil change.
Hey Bigdaddyeasy. I feel like Zee0six is really just placing the information out there in regard to the Purolator filter issues. He IS just trying to give the OP a heads up about the potential issue with these filters however "small" a chance there may be of media issues.
I feel quite confident that he would state if brand "whoever" was really good he would have no problem saying this was what he thought. I have read where Zee0six said that the Napa gold was a very good filter aka in his top 2. Yes he likes the Fram Ultra.. But it is due to his belief in the quality of the product.
Jay is a good guy. He's very busy with his job as well. I also bet he really doesn't feel like anything he would say would likely change anyone's mind. I don't blame him for that. The link that Zee0six posted on here about particulate size was a good read and worth the time.
I do agree that the verbiage would BE much better if Fram stated it as @20 microns or greater. So has to include 20.0 in that expression of filtration capability.
I think we ALL would very likely agree with the following.. 1) IF we had to run a Napa Gold on our vehicles we ALL would do so with no problems
2) IF Napa had a good sale on them.. We would be happy to purchase them. 3) Fram Ultra IS a very good option if so desired. 4) Same could be said for Motorcraft, Baldwin, Hastings and Mann too if available. 5) Plus at the end if the day the WAY we all take care of our cars and trucks ... Our vehicles will have zero problems due to lack of attention or maintainance. Whether we run a Napa Gold, Fram Ultra ( which I use
Wix, Motorcraft etc etc...
6) My own thought.. I enjoy and learn some good stuff from many people on here and I like both of you guys. Very smart, helpful and guys are that are passionate. Which I like and respect.
I feel quite confident that he would state if brand "whoever" was really good he would have no problem saying this was what he thought. I have read where Zee0six said that the Napa gold was a very good filter aka in his top 2. Yes he likes the Fram Ultra.. But it is due to his belief in the quality of the product.
Jay is a good guy. He's very busy with his job as well. I also bet he really doesn't feel like anything he would say would likely change anyone's mind. I don't blame him for that. The link that Zee0six posted on here about particulate size was a good read and worth the time.
I do agree that the verbiage would BE much better if Fram stated it as @20 microns or greater. So has to include 20.0 in that expression of filtration capability.
I think we ALL would very likely agree with the following.. 1) IF we had to run a Napa Gold on our vehicles we ALL would do so with no problems
2) IF Napa had a good sale on them.. We would be happy to purchase them. 3) Fram Ultra IS a very good option if so desired. 4) Same could be said for Motorcraft, Baldwin, Hastings and Mann too if available. 5) Plus at the end if the day the WAY we all take care of our cars and trucks ... Our vehicles will have zero problems due to lack of attention or maintainance. Whether we run a Napa Gold, Fram Ultra ( which I use
6) My own thought.. I enjoy and learn some good stuff from many people on here and I like both of you guys. Very smart, helpful and guys are that are passionate. Which I like and respect.
Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
Originally Posted By: Bigdaddyeasy
Wrong, you look at my post. I compliment several filters even fu. I suggest wix/napa gold motorcraft, Bosch distance+, Mann, Hastings, Baldwin etc.
Typically our debates about FRAM are because you and a couple others make it a habit to troll wix/napagold threads.
Its apparently you that have an issue with wix/nappa.
I do not like tg or eg because they are cheap imo. I like fu but find it hard to bare you and a few others claiming it filters to an extent that its not speced to.
I gave motorking a chance to earn my business but he didn't wanna respond when it came to providing real verifiable facts. I find that distasteful.
Even if his filter had a tear it wouldn't hurt his car. I suggested he leave it on and cut and see. He'll be fine. I left one on for 15k as an ATF filter and posted.
I wonder more and more how many of those tears aren't manipulated by weirdos.
LOL ... "Its apparently you that have an issue with wix/nappa" ... dude, I use WIX and NAPA Gold. The only issue I have with them is they are living in Area 51 and are a bit too secretive about the performance of their filters. Read my signature ... it's true. I don't care what the brand name is on a filter, only what's inside and how those guts perform.
You are blatantly wrong in your understanding of filter efficiency testing and ratings. I'm afraid nobody can help you there because you are so blind to it all. You don't believe Fram's specs, yet you believe WIX who can't even give you a test spec. Blinders big time ... "Bigdaddyblinders". LoL
Maybe Jay is too busy to answer things that are answered right here by members on the board. I even linked a couple of threads where he said exactly what you were looking for. Don't be a prima donna, it's not very becoming - LoL. And as I suggested, email him, don't PM him through the board as he may never respond that way. But based on your whole anti-Fram attitude, I'm sure you would not believe anything he had to say anyway. Maybe he knows that, and is wise to not waste his time with you.
I'm sure the OP can make a decision based on HIS feeling about the Tearolator situation after seeing the data and reports. Maybe he'll do what a lot of use did ... tear that Tearolator off of there and spin on something more reliable. Or run it short and switch to something better at the next oil change.
I was just pointing out that the 2 threads we have clashed on be for this one were threads where you and or others decided to hijack. Like my excellent wix post where y'all instantly began trolling.
No I understand very clearly what greater than means. I posted a little refresher for ya on the other thread but guess it fell on deaf ears or blind eyes in this case.
I have no way of knowing if the claims motorking has made(I have looked em up) are true. He does have a strong sales history per his own words. All I asked for was verification.
Its not mean or disrespectful or any of that, Its smart. You represent it and tout it and would like people to buy then back it with proof.
I believe wix more than FRAM cuz they give definate specs without the greater than scam.
But honestly I don't put much faith in any profit driven organization.
I fully admit that I think FRAM with exception to fu filters are junk.
Right now in my stash I have 4 old (2009) p1 filters 5 beck&arnley which these particular ones are made by k&n. I also have 5 Mann cartridges and 5 generic champion cartridges. Not a single wix. Historically I have leaned toward motor craft. So no bias here.
Originally Posted By: Bigdaddyeasy
Wrong, you look at my post. I compliment several filters even fu. I suggest wix/napa gold motorcraft, Bosch distance+, Mann, Hastings, Baldwin etc.
Typically our debates about FRAM are because you and a couple others make it a habit to troll wix/napagold threads.
Its apparently you that have an issue with wix/nappa.
I do not like tg or eg because they are cheap imo. I like fu but find it hard to bare you and a few others claiming it filters to an extent that its not speced to.
I gave motorking a chance to earn my business but he didn't wanna respond when it came to providing real verifiable facts. I find that distasteful.
Even if his filter had a tear it wouldn't hurt his car. I suggested he leave it on and cut and see. He'll be fine. I left one on for 15k as an ATF filter and posted.
I wonder more and more how many of those tears aren't manipulated by weirdos.
LOL ... "Its apparently you that have an issue with wix/nappa" ... dude, I use WIX and NAPA Gold. The only issue I have with them is they are living in Area 51 and are a bit too secretive about the performance of their filters. Read my signature ... it's true. I don't care what the brand name is on a filter, only what's inside and how those guts perform.
You are blatantly wrong in your understanding of filter efficiency testing and ratings. I'm afraid nobody can help you there because you are so blind to it all. You don't believe Fram's specs, yet you believe WIX who can't even give you a test spec. Blinders big time ... "Bigdaddyblinders". LoL
Maybe Jay is too busy to answer things that are answered right here by members on the board. I even linked a couple of threads where he said exactly what you were looking for. Don't be a prima donna, it's not very becoming - LoL. And as I suggested, email him, don't PM him through the board as he may never respond that way. But based on your whole anti-Fram attitude, I'm sure you would not believe anything he had to say anyway. Maybe he knows that, and is wise to not waste his time with you.
I'm sure the OP can make a decision based on HIS feeling about the Tearolator situation after seeing the data and reports. Maybe he'll do what a lot of use did ... tear that Tearolator off of there and spin on something more reliable. Or run it short and switch to something better at the next oil change.
I was just pointing out that the 2 threads we have clashed on be for this one were threads where you and or others decided to hijack. Like my excellent wix post where y'all instantly began trolling.
No I understand very clearly what greater than means. I posted a little refresher for ya on the other thread but guess it fell on deaf ears or blind eyes in this case.
I have no way of knowing if the claims motorking has made(I have looked em up) are true. He does have a strong sales history per his own words. All I asked for was verification.
Its not mean or disrespectful or any of that, Its smart. You represent it and tout it and would like people to buy then back it with proof.
I believe wix more than FRAM cuz they give definate specs without the greater than scam.
But honestly I don't put much faith in any profit driven organization.
I fully admit that I think FRAM with exception to fu filters are junk.
Right now in my stash I have 4 old (2009) p1 filters 5 beck&arnley which these particular ones are made by k&n. I also have 5 Mann cartridges and 5 generic champion cartridges. Not a single wix. Historically I have leaned toward motor craft. So no bias here.
Dont lose any sleep over it just change it to a Wix or an ultra soon.
That's good to hear Bigdaddyeasy
I do agree that Fram could be more clear and concise with their specifications. @20 or greater would be a better to go.
You know what ... I feel like we all like Neapolitan ice cream. Zee0six likes the chocolate part, you like the vanilla and I like the strawberry part. We ALL like the same ice cream .... Just different parts of the same block of it
No one is really "wrong" in what part they like themselves. And we all would gladly eat the other part too.
It's just the way information put out for each part SHOULD be changed or handled in a better way. That's the real crux of the matter here. Now I may have gotten our favorite flavors wrong.. But ya know what I mean
I do agree that Fram could be more clear and concise with their specifications. @20 or greater would be a better to go.
You know what ... I feel like we all like Neapolitan ice cream. Zee0six likes the chocolate part, you like the vanilla and I like the strawberry part. We ALL like the same ice cream .... Just different parts of the same block of it
No one is really "wrong" in what part they like themselves. And we all would gladly eat the other part too.
It's just the way information put out for each part SHOULD be changed or handled in a better way. That's the real crux of the matter here. Now I may have gotten our favorite flavors wrong.. But ya know what I mean
Originally Posted By: Bigdaddyeasy
I was just pointing out that the 2 threads we have clashed on be for this one were threads where you and or others decided to hijack. Like my excellent wix post where y'all instantly began trolling.
People comment, hijack, troll, etc in almost every thread. Best get use to it, because that's just the way a chat board is. Maybe a chat board isn't your cup of tea ... or at least one like this that can get you banned pretty fast if you get too nuts.
Originally Posted By: Bigdaddyeasy
No I understand very clearly what greater than means. I posted a little refresher for ya on the other thread but guess it fell on deaf ears or blind eyes in this case.
Reality is that you really don't understand what greater than means when applied to the efficiency of an oil filter. It's been explained 10 different ways and it still doesn't click for you, so why even go there anymore.
Originally Posted By: Bigdaddyeasy
I have no way of knowing if the claims motorking has made(I have looked em up) are true. He does have a strong sales history per his own words. All I asked for was verification.
Its not mean or disrespectful or any of that, Its smart. You represent it and tout it and would like people to buy then back it with proof.
Those two links I posted in the other thread of what Motorking said about the testing and the > and @ language pretty much says it all, and is what I've been trying to make you and others understand. If Motorking says the same thing and you don't believe it then you never will. Fram tests efficiency per ISO 4548-12, and all that has already been hashed over. The 4548-12 test calls out a specific ISO certified test dust to use, so they can't play games with particle sizes and quantity of particles in the test dust. If testing per ISO 4548-12 isn't proof enough then the only thing that would be better is pay a lot of money to an independent lab that tests per ISO 4548-12 and verify it yourself.
Originally Posted By: Bigdaddyeasy
I believe wix more than FRAM cuz they give definate specs without the greater than scam.
But honestly I don't put much faith in any profit driven organization.
WIX is less transparent than Fram is. Makes you wonder. Comment on > usage already given.
Originally Posted By: Bigdaddyeasy
I fully admit that I think FRAM with exception to fu filters are junk.
Right now in my stash I have 4 old (2009) p1 filters 5 beck&arnley which these particular ones are made by k&n. I also have 5 Mann cartridges and 5 generic champion cartridges. Not a single wix. Historically I have leaned toward motor craft. So no bias here.
Well if you like the Ultra then how about calming down with the anti-brand stuff. Talk about filters in a factual way regardless of brand, not from some biased fueled fanboy agenda.
I was just pointing out that the 2 threads we have clashed on be for this one were threads where you and or others decided to hijack. Like my excellent wix post where y'all instantly began trolling.
People comment, hijack, troll, etc in almost every thread. Best get use to it, because that's just the way a chat board is. Maybe a chat board isn't your cup of tea ... or at least one like this that can get you banned pretty fast if you get too nuts.
Originally Posted By: Bigdaddyeasy
No I understand very clearly what greater than means. I posted a little refresher for ya on the other thread but guess it fell on deaf ears or blind eyes in this case.
Reality is that you really don't understand what greater than means when applied to the efficiency of an oil filter. It's been explained 10 different ways and it still doesn't click for you, so why even go there anymore.
Originally Posted By: Bigdaddyeasy
I have no way of knowing if the claims motorking has made(I have looked em up) are true. He does have a strong sales history per his own words. All I asked for was verification.
Its not mean or disrespectful or any of that, Its smart. You represent it and tout it and would like people to buy then back it with proof.
Those two links I posted in the other thread of what Motorking said about the testing and the > and @ language pretty much says it all, and is what I've been trying to make you and others understand. If Motorking says the same thing and you don't believe it then you never will. Fram tests efficiency per ISO 4548-12, and all that has already been hashed over. The 4548-12 test calls out a specific ISO certified test dust to use, so they can't play games with particle sizes and quantity of particles in the test dust. If testing per ISO 4548-12 isn't proof enough then the only thing that would be better is pay a lot of money to an independent lab that tests per ISO 4548-12 and verify it yourself.
Originally Posted By: Bigdaddyeasy
I believe wix more than FRAM cuz they give definate specs without the greater than scam.
But honestly I don't put much faith in any profit driven organization.
WIX is less transparent than Fram is. Makes you wonder. Comment on > usage already given.
Originally Posted By: Bigdaddyeasy
I fully admit that I think FRAM with exception to fu filters are junk.
Right now in my stash I have 4 old (2009) p1 filters 5 beck&arnley which these particular ones are made by k&n. I also have 5 Mann cartridges and 5 generic champion cartridges. Not a single wix. Historically I have leaned toward motor craft. So no bias here.
Well if you like the Ultra then how about calming down with the anti-brand stuff. Talk about filters in a factual way regardless of brand, not from some biased fueled fanboy agenda.
Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
Originally Posted By: Bigdaddyeasy
I was just pointing out that the 2 threads we have clashed on be for this one were threads where you and or others decided to hijack. Like my excellent wix post where y'all instantly began trolling.
People comment, hijack, troll, etc in almost every thread. Best get use to it, because that's just the way a chat board is. Maybe a chat board isn't your cup of tea ... or at least one like this that can get you banned pretty fast if you get too nuts.
Originally Posted By: Bigdaddyeasy
No I understand very clearly what greater than means. I posted a little refresher for ya on the other thread but guess it fell on deaf ears or blind eyes in this case.
Reality is that you really don't understand what greater than means when applied to the efficiency of an oil filter. It's been explained 10 different ways and it still doesn't click for you, so why even go there anymore.
Originally Posted By: Bigdaddyeasy
I have no way of knowing if the claims motorking has made(I have looked em up) are true. He does have a strong sales history per his own words. All I asked for was verification.
Its not mean or disrespectful or any of that, Its smart. You represent it and tout it and would like people to buy then back it with proof.
Those two links I posted in the other thread of what Motorking said about the testing and the > and @ language pretty much says it all, and is what I've been trying to make you and others understand. If Motorking says the same thing and you don't believe it then you never will. Fram tests efficiency per ISO 4548-12, and all that has already been hashed over. The 4548-12 test calls out a specific ISO certified test dust to use, so they can't play games with particle sizes and quantity of particles in the test dust. If testing per ISO 4548-12 isn't proof enough then the only thing that would be better is pay a lot of money to an independent lab that tests per ISO 4548-12 and verify it yourself.
Originally Posted By: Bigdaddyeasy
I believe wix more than FRAM cuz they give definate specs without the greater than scam.
But honestly I don't put much faith in any profit driven organization.
WIX is less transparent than Fram is. Makes you wonder. Comment on > usage already given.
Originally Posted By: Bigdaddyeasy
I fully admit that I think FRAM with exception to fu filters are junk.
Right now in my stash I have 4 old (2009) p1 filters 5 beck&arnley which these particular ones are made by k&n. I also have 5 Mann cartridges and 5 generic champion cartridges. Not a single wix. Historically I have leaned toward motor craft. So no bias here.
Well if you like the Ultra then how about calming down with the anti-brand stuff. Talk about filters in a factual way regardless of brand, not from some biased fueled fanboy agenda.
No >20 is an un certain conclusion in any context. Thats why fram is the only company that states it. @20 means at 20 >20 does not. Fram is not forthright in listing ot that way.
You have a habit of making comments suggesting i might should be banned when i post. My suggestion to you is to stop responding to my posy if you dont like what i say. You responded to my post which was in response to the op. So your the one begging to argue.
Ive added plenty of usefull post here. Added a few threads of cut open filters and other informitive data here aswell as asked questioms to aquire knowledge.
Originally Posted By: Bigdaddyeasy
I was just pointing out that the 2 threads we have clashed on be for this one were threads where you and or others decided to hijack. Like my excellent wix post where y'all instantly began trolling.
People comment, hijack, troll, etc in almost every thread. Best get use to it, because that's just the way a chat board is. Maybe a chat board isn't your cup of tea ... or at least one like this that can get you banned pretty fast if you get too nuts.
Originally Posted By: Bigdaddyeasy
No I understand very clearly what greater than means. I posted a little refresher for ya on the other thread but guess it fell on deaf ears or blind eyes in this case.
Reality is that you really don't understand what greater than means when applied to the efficiency of an oil filter. It's been explained 10 different ways and it still doesn't click for you, so why even go there anymore.
Originally Posted By: Bigdaddyeasy
I have no way of knowing if the claims motorking has made(I have looked em up) are true. He does have a strong sales history per his own words. All I asked for was verification.
Its not mean or disrespectful or any of that, Its smart. You represent it and tout it and would like people to buy then back it with proof.
Those two links I posted in the other thread of what Motorking said about the testing and the > and @ language pretty much says it all, and is what I've been trying to make you and others understand. If Motorking says the same thing and you don't believe it then you never will. Fram tests efficiency per ISO 4548-12, and all that has already been hashed over. The 4548-12 test calls out a specific ISO certified test dust to use, so they can't play games with particle sizes and quantity of particles in the test dust. If testing per ISO 4548-12 isn't proof enough then the only thing that would be better is pay a lot of money to an independent lab that tests per ISO 4548-12 and verify it yourself.
Originally Posted By: Bigdaddyeasy
I believe wix more than FRAM cuz they give definate specs without the greater than scam.
But honestly I don't put much faith in any profit driven organization.
WIX is less transparent than Fram is. Makes you wonder. Comment on > usage already given.
Originally Posted By: Bigdaddyeasy
I fully admit that I think FRAM with exception to fu filters are junk.
Right now in my stash I have 4 old (2009) p1 filters 5 beck&arnley which these particular ones are made by k&n. I also have 5 Mann cartridges and 5 generic champion cartridges. Not a single wix. Historically I have leaned toward motor craft. So no bias here.
Well if you like the Ultra then how about calming down with the anti-brand stuff. Talk about filters in a factual way regardless of brand, not from some biased fueled fanboy agenda.
No >20 is an un certain conclusion in any context. Thats why fram is the only company that states it. @20 means at 20 >20 does not. Fram is not forthright in listing ot that way.
You have a habit of making comments suggesting i might should be banned when i post. My suggestion to you is to stop responding to my posy if you dont like what i say. You responded to my post which was in response to the op. So your the one begging to argue.
Ive added plenty of usefull post here. Added a few threads of cut open filters and other informitive data here aswell as asked questioms to aquire knowledge.
Originally Posted By: Bigdaddyeasy
No >20 is an un certain conclusion in any context. Thats why fram is the only company that states it. @20 means at 20 >20 does not. Fram is not forthright in listing ot that way.
You will never get it in a 100 years ... so just drop the whole thing, just a big waste of time. You believe what you want.
Originally Posted By: Bigdaddyeasy
You have a habit of making comments suggesting i might should be banned when i post. My suggestion to you is to stop responding to my posy if you dont like what i say. You responded to my post which was in response to the op. So your the one begging to argue.
No, you take it that way (wrong too) ... but I will say quite clearly that shenanigans will get you smoked, as you already know. So you'll have to "Be cool" like your siggy says or risk getting another vacation - just some friendly advice. You own that, it's all up to only you in that department. You do understand that, right?
Originally Posted By: Bigdaddyeasy
Ive added plenty of usefull post here. Added a few threads of cut open filters and other informitive data here aswell as asked questioms to aquire knowledge.
Keep that up, drop the clown action. Might last awhile that way.
No >20 is an un certain conclusion in any context. Thats why fram is the only company that states it. @20 means at 20 >20 does not. Fram is not forthright in listing ot that way.
You will never get it in a 100 years ... so just drop the whole thing, just a big waste of time. You believe what you want.
Originally Posted By: Bigdaddyeasy
You have a habit of making comments suggesting i might should be banned when i post. My suggestion to you is to stop responding to my posy if you dont like what i say. You responded to my post which was in response to the op. So your the one begging to argue.
No, you take it that way (wrong too) ... but I will say quite clearly that shenanigans will get you smoked, as you already know. So you'll have to "Be cool" like your siggy says or risk getting another vacation - just some friendly advice. You own that, it's all up to only you in that department. You do understand that, right?
Originally Posted By: Bigdaddyeasy
Ive added plenty of usefull post here. Added a few threads of cut open filters and other informitive data here aswell as asked questioms to aquire knowledge.
Keep that up, drop the clown action. Might last awhile that way.
Originally Posted By: RegDunlop
Last OCI ( about 1100 miles ago) i used QSUD and a purolator classic
I hadnt been reading BITOG RECENTLY SO i did not know the issue with purolator filters tearing.
It seems to be consensus that they tear in the first 1000 miles.
Would I be able to tell if this occured?
How bad is this if it happens?
Should I dump the oil right now and replace the filter?
You won't know if the filter is torn without cutting it open.
It probably won't do much harm, but the efficiency won't be as advertised that's for sure.
I would leave the oil and filter in for the full OCI.
Not all Purolators are prone to tearing. What is the vehicle in which the PC is being used?
Last OCI ( about 1100 miles ago) i used QSUD and a purolator classic
I hadnt been reading BITOG RECENTLY SO i did not know the issue with purolator filters tearing.
It seems to be consensus that they tear in the first 1000 miles.
Would I be able to tell if this occured?
How bad is this if it happens?
Should I dump the oil right now and replace the filter?
You won't know if the filter is torn without cutting it open.
It probably won't do much harm, but the efficiency won't be as advertised that's for sure.
I would leave the oil and filter in for the full OCI.
Not all Purolators are prone to tearing. What is the vehicle in which the PC is being used?
Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
Originally Posted By: Bigdaddyeasy
No >20 is an un certain conclusion in any context. Thats why fram is the only company that states it. @20 means at 20 >20 does not. Fram is not forthright in listing ot that way.
You will never get it in a 100 years ... so just drop the whole thing, just a big waste of time. You believe what you want.
Originally Posted By: Bigdaddyeasy
You have a habit of making comments suggesting i might should be banned when i post. My suggestion to you is to stop responding to my posy if you dont like what i say. You responded to my post which was in response to the op. So your the one begging to argue.
No, you take it that way (wrong too) ... but I will say quite clearly that shenanigans will get you smoked, as you already know. So you'll have to "Be cool" like your siggy says or risk getting another vacation - just some friendly advice. You own that, it's all up to only you in that department. You do understand that, right?
Originally Posted By: Bigdaddyeasy
Ive added plenty of usefull post here. Added a few threads of cut open filters and other informitive data here aswell as asked questioms to aquire knowledge.
Keep that up, drop the clown action. Might last awhile that way.
Im glad youve decided to drop it.
I think what should get a guy booted is insistantly continuely stating facts that are un supported by varifiable info.
So go on and play now.
Maybe learn to practice some better control in the future.
Originally Posted By: Bigdaddyeasy
No >20 is an un certain conclusion in any context. Thats why fram is the only company that states it. @20 means at 20 >20 does not. Fram is not forthright in listing ot that way.
You will never get it in a 100 years ... so just drop the whole thing, just a big waste of time. You believe what you want.
Originally Posted By: Bigdaddyeasy
You have a habit of making comments suggesting i might should be banned when i post. My suggestion to you is to stop responding to my posy if you dont like what i say. You responded to my post which was in response to the op. So your the one begging to argue.
No, you take it that way (wrong too) ... but I will say quite clearly that shenanigans will get you smoked, as you already know. So you'll have to "Be cool" like your siggy says or risk getting another vacation - just some friendly advice. You own that, it's all up to only you in that department. You do understand that, right?
Originally Posted By: Bigdaddyeasy
Ive added plenty of usefull post here. Added a few threads of cut open filters and other informitive data here aswell as asked questioms to aquire knowledge.
Keep that up, drop the clown action. Might last awhile that way.
Im glad youve decided to drop it.
I think what should get a guy booted is insistantly continuely stating facts that are un supported by varifiable info.
So go on and play now.
Maybe learn to practice some better control in the future.
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