Is there any license, specification or approval that is truly mandatory? Even with approvals no owner's manual nor warranty booklet I have ever seen makes a direct tie between the listed approval and the new-car warranty. Every one I have seen states that if the owner uses an oil that causes engine damage then that may not be covered (even here there is wiggle room), but never have I seen a statement that says use of an oil without a certain license or approval will void the warranty.
Dexos Gen 2 THAT much different than SP?
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Well, you tried to keep the carp alive...
A couple years ago, my wife bought a '11 Equinox with the 2.4 engine. From the day we got it , it used oil. 750 miles to a qt. I tried several Dexos rated oils, and nothing changed the consumption. Then one day, we got a letter from GM ,saying to bring the car to the dealer for evaluation. We did, and they didn't want to do anything about it. So being the Dexos rating you see on a bottle of oil is recommended by GM, and they charge the oil companies a fee, to put it on their bottle, I said **** them. It won't help you engine in any noticeable way, I started using various combinations of oil and finally got the consumption down to what I consider a reasonable amount. And none of the oils has a Dexos rating on the bottles. And guess what, the engine runs fine 50k miles into my test. If you have a GM product and have a factory installed problem, like my wife's car has, don't hold your breath waiting for GM to do anything about it.,,,
As Dexos was built off of ILSAC you should be able to use this tool to see the emphasis GM made in certain categories.
Again these are min spec. Many oils advertise significant improved performance vs the API/ILSAC "low bar"
Notice that Dexos1 Gen 2 NOACK bar was a mediocre 13% and will be "improved" to 12.5%
GM Releases Dexos1 Gen 3 Details - Lubes'N'Greases
After previously saying it would release Dexos1 Gen 3 in January and begin commercial licensing during the second quarter, General Motors is considering revising the schedule to push back at least some of the timing. The company plans to announce its decision soon.
www.lubesngreases.com
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No point to make but here is my first purchase of 5w30 Dexos 1 Gen 3 with, of course, the SP rating.
Check this out.
OEM BULLETIN
PSA
The Union of the European Lubricant Industry (UEIL) is the umbrella association of the European Lubricants Industry, representing their members and, in particular, the interests of SMEs and independent lubricant companies. To date, the UEIL represents more than 450 lubricant companies, who manufacture and distribute lubricant products under their own various trademarks throughout the European Union. With members in more than 22 European Countries and a unique collective experience of lubricants and the lubricants market, UEIL is the sole representative body for independent manufacturers of lubricants in Europe and has been recognised as such by the European Commission. It is UEIL’s policy to favour free and fair competition within the scope of prevailing EU and national laws.
First, UEIL has been made aware that PSA had disseminated a technical circular letter to its network in France stating it was compulsory to use lubricants approved by PSA.
Secondly, UEIL has been informed that some customers in the UK had experienced issues with PSA dealerships who had invalidated warranties due to using an engine oil which had not been approved by PSA.
Then we have drawn PSA’s attention to the fact that such statement and behaviour were clearly illegal and constituted a breach of EU regulation.
Following our intervention:
- PSA has sent a new circular letter to its network in France stating that it is compulsory to use suitable engine oils which comply with requested ACEA grade and PSA specification (no more reference to approval)
- PSA has sent an aftersales bulletin to its network in the UK specifying that:
o A warranty claim cannot be refused because the oil was not certified by PSA or did not comply with PSA specifications (B71****)
o Individual oil suppliers can ask for PSA approval or they can self-certify their oil product as compliant with PSA standards (and in such case PSA can request evidence of compliance)
o PSA reserves the rights to investigate further if oil is suspected as having caused or contributed to engine damage
o The Manufacturer’s Warranty will not apply if it is proven that it is the engine oil that has actually damaged the engine of the vehicle
UEIL thanks PSA for this clarification.
Brussels, January 2020
