Rand summed it up very well.
Here is the Bay Trail list from Intel:
http://ark.intel.com/products/codename/55844/Bay-Trail
Here is the Bay Trail list from Intel:
http://ark.intel.com/products/codename/55844/Bay-Trail
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Originally Posted By: Rand
Originally Posted By: Nick R
I am unaware of this, and I keep up pretty well with stuff. I have Celeron g1610, which is one of the lowest end ivy bridge chips sold, in my server. I'm fairly sure all bay trail chips are marketed as atom. I could be wrong but I haven't seen any examples of this.
The celeron J1800 and J1900 are both bay trail.
for example the j1800 is a dualcore that's about half as fast as the previous celeron 1037u
This started with haswell/baytrail.
previous celerons were actual"celerons" not atoms.
the j1900 is aprox as fast as the celeron 1037u but the j1900 quad core so slow on single threaded applications.
My celeron system(pfsense box) 1037u uses about 17w at idle. That's with a 2.5" hdd and intel dual gigabit nic.
if anyone wants to keep reading
the j1900 celeron benchmark (quad core)
http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Intel+Celeron+J1900+%40+1.99GHz
1921 cpumark
j1800 benchmark
http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Intel+Celeron+J1800+%40+2.41GHz
1021 cpumark
1037u celeron benchmark
http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Intel+Celeron+1037U+%40+1.80GHz
1784 cpumark
so you see the per core performance is
900/core for ivybridge celerons
vs ~~500/core for baytrail celerons.
The baytrail chips do have a TDP of only 10watts including the quad core
vs 17w for the ivybridge celeron.
The celeron g1610
http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Intel+Celeron+G1610+%40+2.60GHz
2551 cpumark and 55w tdp.
The atom previous to baytrail... pineview
d2700 is 842 cpumark
and no 64 bit support.
http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Intel+Atom+D2700+%40+2.13GHz
Really the celeron 1037u is the slowest pc I would build for someone, and that 99$ pentium+mobo deal I linked is 2x+ as fast.
The J1800 or j1900 have much potential for purpose built boxes such as NAS, router, or mini server.
but aren't well supported by opensource software yet
Many are even available with dual built in nic
They use so little power you don't have a mini heater running 24/7 and also can go Fanless for low noise.
intel, wat r u doin? intel. stahp.
Why do they have to confused their processor lineup even more than it already is. Bay trail should be kept as atom. Keep Celeron as Core only.
Originally Posted By: Nick R
I am unaware of this, and I keep up pretty well with stuff. I have Celeron g1610, which is one of the lowest end ivy bridge chips sold, in my server. I'm fairly sure all bay trail chips are marketed as atom. I could be wrong but I haven't seen any examples of this.
The celeron J1800 and J1900 are both bay trail.
for example the j1800 is a dualcore that's about half as fast as the previous celeron 1037u
This started with haswell/baytrail.
previous celerons were actual"celerons" not atoms.
the j1900 is aprox as fast as the celeron 1037u but the j1900 quad core so slow on single threaded applications.
My celeron system(pfsense box) 1037u uses about 17w at idle. That's with a 2.5" hdd and intel dual gigabit nic.
if anyone wants to keep reading
the j1900 celeron benchmark (quad core)
http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Intel+Celeron+J1900+%40+1.99GHz
1921 cpumark
j1800 benchmark
http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Intel+Celeron+J1800+%40+2.41GHz
1021 cpumark
1037u celeron benchmark
http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Intel+Celeron+1037U+%40+1.80GHz
1784 cpumark
so you see the per core performance is
900/core for ivybridge celerons
vs ~~500/core for baytrail celerons.
The baytrail chips do have a TDP of only 10watts including the quad core
vs 17w for the ivybridge celeron.
The celeron g1610
http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Intel+Celeron+G1610+%40+2.60GHz
2551 cpumark and 55w tdp.
The atom previous to baytrail... pineview
d2700 is 842 cpumark
and no 64 bit support.
http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Intel+Atom+D2700+%40+2.13GHz
Really the celeron 1037u is the slowest pc I would build for someone, and that 99$ pentium+mobo deal I linked is 2x+ as fast.
The J1800 or j1900 have much potential for purpose built boxes such as NAS, router, or mini server.
but aren't well supported by opensource software yet
Many are even available with dual built in nic
They use so little power you don't have a mini heater running 24/7 and also can go Fanless for low noise.
intel, wat r u doin? intel. stahp.
Why do they have to confused their processor lineup even more than it already is. Bay trail should be kept as atom. Keep Celeron as Core only.
Originally Posted By: Nick R
Why do they have to confused their processor lineup even more than it already is. Bay trail should be kept as atom. Keep Celeron as Core only.
Brand recognition goes both ways, good and bad. I suspect they felt that the brand recognition people have in the Atom line has been less than satisfactory, probably due to unrealistic expectations more than a poor product itself. Intel is likely seeking to capitalize on what I assume is a better consumer response to "Celeron" than "Atom".
Why do they have to confused their processor lineup even more than it already is. Bay trail should be kept as atom. Keep Celeron as Core only.
Brand recognition goes both ways, good and bad. I suspect they felt that the brand recognition people have in the Atom line has been less than satisfactory, probably due to unrealistic expectations more than a poor product itself. Intel is likely seeking to capitalize on what I assume is a better consumer response to "Celeron" than "Atom".
Originally Posted By: Nick R
Originally Posted By: Rand
Originally Posted By: Nick R
I am unaware of this, and I keep up pretty well with stuff. I have Celeron g1610, which is one of the lowest end ivy bridge chips sold, in my server. I'm fairly sure all bay trail chips are marketed as atom. I could be wrong but I haven't seen any examples of this.
The celeron J1800 and J1900 are both bay trail.
for example the j1800 is a dualcore that's about half as fast as the previous celeron 1037u
This started with haswell/baytrail.
previous celerons were actual"celerons" not atoms.
the j1900 is aprox as fast as the celeron 1037u but the j1900 quad core so slow on single threaded applications.
My celeron system(pfsense box) 1037u uses about 17w at idle. That's with a 2.5" hdd and intel dual gigabit nic.
if anyone wants to keep reading
the j1900 celeron benchmark (quad core)
http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Intel+Celeron+J1900+%40+1.99GHz
1921 cpumark
j1800 benchmark
http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Intel+Celeron+J1800+%40+2.41GHz
1021 cpumark
1037u celeron benchmark
http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Intel+Celeron+1037U+%40+1.80GHz
1784 cpumark
so you see the per core performance is
900/core for ivybridge celerons
vs ~~500/core for baytrail celerons.
The baytrail chips do have a TDP of only 10watts including the quad core
vs 17w for the ivybridge celeron.
The celeron g1610
http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Intel+Celeron+G1610+%40+2.60GHz
2551 cpumark and 55w tdp.
The atom previous to baytrail... pineview
d2700 is 842 cpumark
and no 64 bit support.
http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Intel+Atom+D2700+%40+2.13GHz
Really the celeron 1037u is the slowest pc I would build for someone, and that 99$ pentium+mobo deal I linked is 2x+ as fast.
The J1800 or j1900 have much potential for purpose built boxes such as NAS, router, or mini server.
but aren't well supported by opensource software yet
Many are even available with dual built in nic
They use so little power you don't have a mini heater running 24/7 and also can go Fanless for low noise.
intel, wat r u doin? intel. stahp.
Why do they have to confused their processor lineup even more than it already is. Bay trail should be kept as atom. Keep Celeron as Core only.
Intel still has atom, celeron, Core, as their primary product identifiers. Their internal architecture code names for their generations is what can be confusing. So, the Bay Trail generation includes the Pentium, Celeron & Atom.
Originally Posted By: Rand
Originally Posted By: Nick R
I am unaware of this, and I keep up pretty well with stuff. I have Celeron g1610, which is one of the lowest end ivy bridge chips sold, in my server. I'm fairly sure all bay trail chips are marketed as atom. I could be wrong but I haven't seen any examples of this.
The celeron J1800 and J1900 are both bay trail.
for example the j1800 is a dualcore that's about half as fast as the previous celeron 1037u
This started with haswell/baytrail.
previous celerons were actual"celerons" not atoms.
the j1900 is aprox as fast as the celeron 1037u but the j1900 quad core so slow on single threaded applications.
My celeron system(pfsense box) 1037u uses about 17w at idle. That's with a 2.5" hdd and intel dual gigabit nic.
if anyone wants to keep reading
the j1900 celeron benchmark (quad core)
http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Intel+Celeron+J1900+%40+1.99GHz
1921 cpumark
j1800 benchmark
http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Intel+Celeron+J1800+%40+2.41GHz
1021 cpumark
1037u celeron benchmark
http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Intel+Celeron+1037U+%40+1.80GHz
1784 cpumark
so you see the per core performance is
900/core for ivybridge celerons
vs ~~500/core for baytrail celerons.
The baytrail chips do have a TDP of only 10watts including the quad core
vs 17w for the ivybridge celeron.
The celeron g1610
http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Intel+Celeron+G1610+%40+2.60GHz
2551 cpumark and 55w tdp.
The atom previous to baytrail... pineview
d2700 is 842 cpumark
and no 64 bit support.
http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Intel+Atom+D2700+%40+2.13GHz
Really the celeron 1037u is the slowest pc I would build for someone, and that 99$ pentium+mobo deal I linked is 2x+ as fast.
The J1800 or j1900 have much potential for purpose built boxes such as NAS, router, or mini server.
but aren't well supported by opensource software yet
Many are even available with dual built in nic
They use so little power you don't have a mini heater running 24/7 and also can go Fanless for low noise.
intel, wat r u doin? intel. stahp.
Why do they have to confused their processor lineup even more than it already is. Bay trail should be kept as atom. Keep Celeron as Core only.
Intel still has atom, celeron, Core, as their primary product identifiers. Their internal architecture code names for their generations is what can be confusing. So, the Bay Trail generation includes the Pentium, Celeron & Atom.
Originally Posted By: UG_Passat
Originally Posted By: Nick R
Originally Posted By: Rand
Originally Posted By: Nick R
I am unaware of this, and I keep up pretty well with stuff. I have Celeron g1610, which is one of the lowest end ivy bridge chips sold, in my server. I'm fairly sure all bay trail chips are marketed as atom. I could be wrong but I haven't seen any examples of this.
The celeron J1800 and J1900 are both bay trail.
for example the j1800 is a dualcore that's about half as fast as the previous celeron 1037u
This started with haswell/baytrail.
previous celerons were actual"celerons" not atoms.
the j1900 is aprox as fast as the celeron 1037u but the j1900 quad core so slow on single threaded applications.
My celeron system(pfsense box) 1037u uses about 17w at idle. That's with a 2.5" hdd and intel dual gigabit nic.
if anyone wants to keep reading
the j1900 celeron benchmark (quad core)
http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Intel+Celeron+J1900+%40+1.99GHz
1921 cpumark
j1800 benchmark
http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Intel+Celeron+J1800+%40+2.41GHz
1021 cpumark
1037u celeron benchmark
http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Intel+Celeron+1037U+%40+1.80GHz
1784 cpumark
so you see the per core performance is
900/core for ivybridge celerons
vs ~~500/core for baytrail celerons.
The baytrail chips do have a TDP of only 10watts including the quad core
vs 17w for the ivybridge celeron.
The celeron g1610
http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Intel+Celeron+G1610+%40+2.60GHz
2551 cpumark and 55w tdp.
The atom previous to baytrail... pineview
d2700 is 842 cpumark
and no 64 bit support.
http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Intel+Atom+D2700+%40+2.13GHz
Really the celeron 1037u is the slowest pc I would build for someone, and that 99$ pentium+mobo deal I linked is 2x+ as fast.
The J1800 or j1900 have much potential for purpose built boxes such as NAS, router, or mini server.
but aren't well supported by opensource software yet
Many are even available with dual built in nic
They use so little power you don't have a mini heater running 24/7 and also can go Fanless for low noise.
intel, wat r u doin? intel. stahp.
Why do they have to confused their processor lineup even more than it already is. Bay trail should be kept as atom. Keep Celeron as Core only.
Intel still has atom, celeron, Core, as their primary product identifiers. Their internal architecture code names for their generations is what can be confusing. So, the Bay Trail generation includes the Pentium, Celeron & Atom.
That's what I mean. Baytrail parts should not be given Pentium or Celeron nomenclature. They should be kept as atom only. Pentium & Celeron should "core" architecture only. In this case, meaning that current Pentium & Celeron parts should be Haswell only.
Originally Posted By: Nick R
Originally Posted By: Rand
Originally Posted By: Nick R
I am unaware of this, and I keep up pretty well with stuff. I have Celeron g1610, which is one of the lowest end ivy bridge chips sold, in my server. I'm fairly sure all bay trail chips are marketed as atom. I could be wrong but I haven't seen any examples of this.
The celeron J1800 and J1900 are both bay trail.
for example the j1800 is a dualcore that's about half as fast as the previous celeron 1037u
This started with haswell/baytrail.
previous celerons were actual"celerons" not atoms.
the j1900 is aprox as fast as the celeron 1037u but the j1900 quad core so slow on single threaded applications.
My celeron system(pfsense box) 1037u uses about 17w at idle. That's with a 2.5" hdd and intel dual gigabit nic.
if anyone wants to keep reading
the j1900 celeron benchmark (quad core)
http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Intel+Celeron+J1900+%40+1.99GHz
1921 cpumark
j1800 benchmark
http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Intel+Celeron+J1800+%40+2.41GHz
1021 cpumark
1037u celeron benchmark
http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Intel+Celeron+1037U+%40+1.80GHz
1784 cpumark
so you see the per core performance is
900/core for ivybridge celerons
vs ~~500/core for baytrail celerons.
The baytrail chips do have a TDP of only 10watts including the quad core
vs 17w for the ivybridge celeron.
The celeron g1610
http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Intel+Celeron+G1610+%40+2.60GHz
2551 cpumark and 55w tdp.
The atom previous to baytrail... pineview
d2700 is 842 cpumark
and no 64 bit support.
http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Intel+Atom+D2700+%40+2.13GHz
Really the celeron 1037u is the slowest pc I would build for someone, and that 99$ pentium+mobo deal I linked is 2x+ as fast.
The J1800 or j1900 have much potential for purpose built boxes such as NAS, router, or mini server.
but aren't well supported by opensource software yet
Many are even available with dual built in nic
They use so little power you don't have a mini heater running 24/7 and also can go Fanless for low noise.
intel, wat r u doin? intel. stahp.
Why do they have to confused their processor lineup even more than it already is. Bay trail should be kept as atom. Keep Celeron as Core only.
Intel still has atom, celeron, Core, as their primary product identifiers. Their internal architecture code names for their generations is what can be confusing. So, the Bay Trail generation includes the Pentium, Celeron & Atom.
That's what I mean. Baytrail parts should not be given Pentium or Celeron nomenclature. They should be kept as atom only. Pentium & Celeron should "core" architecture only. In this case, meaning that current Pentium & Celeron parts should be Haswell only.
Originally Posted By: UG_Passat
Intel still has atom, celeron, Core, as their primary product identifiers. Their internal architecture code names for their generations is what can be confusing. So, the Bay Trail generation includes the Pentium, Celeron & Atom.
I understood what you said but this gets extremely confusing to read through.. and you have to have additional description to know details now.
IE celeron notebook can be relatively fast slow or really slow.
Intel still has atom, celeron, Core, as their primary product identifiers. Their internal architecture code names for their generations is what can be confusing. So, the Bay Trail generation includes the Pentium, Celeron & Atom.
I understood what you said but this gets extremely confusing to read through.. and you have to have additional description to know details now.
IE celeron notebook can be relatively fast slow or really slow.
Originally Posted By: Rand
Originally Posted By: UG_Passat
Intel still has atom, celeron, Core, as their primary product identifiers. Their internal architecture code names for their generations is what can be confusing. So, the Bay Trail generation includes the Pentium, Celeron & Atom.
I understood what you said but this gets extremely confusing to read through.. and you have to have additional description to know details now.
IE celeron notebook can be relatively fast slow or really slow.
It's nuances of the computer component industry. AMD is the same. They have their primary model lines, and within it, their names for the various architectures that make up their model lines.
Originally Posted By: UG_Passat
Intel still has atom, celeron, Core, as their primary product identifiers. Their internal architecture code names for their generations is what can be confusing. So, the Bay Trail generation includes the Pentium, Celeron & Atom.
I understood what you said but this gets extremely confusing to read through.. and you have to have additional description to know details now.
IE celeron notebook can be relatively fast slow or really slow.
It's nuances of the computer component industry. AMD is the same. They have their primary model lines, and within it, their names for the various architectures that make up their model lines.
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