Decent home printer

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Which brand printers should I consider or stay away from? I'm looking for one in the price range of $125-200, color/b&w, and fax/scan/copy. Having one that has a memory card insert or an LCD viewer isn't a must.

I might be leaning towards Canon as I have a Canon A80 and they have more inks for a truer color picture.

Your thoughts?
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I bought a Canon i470D for $38 after rebate this past Christmas. I buy the $2 generic ink cartridges. Seems to work great. Has a built in card reader for CF/MMC/SD, etc. Will print photos but I don't really do that at home. I bought it for cheap printing. It has great print utilities that plug into Internet Explorer that make it easy to print high speed draft color prints. Saves ink and prints fast. The utility also will make wide pages fit on a page where IE will cut off the right side.
 
Unless you absolutely must have color, a laser printer is by far the best buy. The running costs of inkjets are silly - cheap ink in a cheap cartridge for a high price and short life. Laser toner lasts a very long time, and is very reliable. The Samsung ML-1740 is often on sale with rebates, seen it for less than $70 at buy.com:

Samsung ML-1740
 
For color inkjets, stick with the Canon, specifically the i960. I'm replacing all our HP inkjets with these:
http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=28-102-135&depa=0
Tomshardware.com has a review of this and others, this one easily tops just about all inkjets on the market for cost vs quality! For $157, it's tough to beat!
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For B&W Lasers, don't get the "toaster type", get the flat, tray-loading style. Xerox 3130 is a good one:
Xerox 3130 Link
 
I've had 3 canon printers, HATED them all. I should have known better after the third one.
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Right now I've got a $50 Lexmark...the printer+ink was only a couple more dollars than a single ink cartridge.
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I bought an $8 ink refil kit and have gone through two reams of paper, still have ink left.
 
As a semi-pro photographer, let me recommend you skip printing digital photos on your inkjet. I'm not sure that's your intent but it usually comes up sooner or later. I haven't "printed my own" for years.

You'll have better, faster and cheaper results taking the digital media to Walmart, Sam's, CVS, Walgreen's etc....won't fade, colors are better, paper is better, water-proof, don't like it: don't pay for it.... 4x6 runs 0.20-.29. I prefer the places that use the Fuji machine, I haven't been impressed by the Kodak picture-maker. Sad.

it cuts down significantly on ink consumption. You will be surprised how long a cartridge lasts when you aren't printing pics all the time.... Excluding those we bought back in the printing-photos-at-home-days, I would say go for the cheapest major brand printer.

Major brand because: Look into any local ink cartridge refilling shops, they are starting to pop up all over, major brands' cartridges are more likely to be available at the refillers. you can save over half.

sorry for the info overload.....
 
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Originally posted by kenw:
Major brand because: Look into any local ink cartridge refilling shops, they are starting to pop up all over, major brands' cartridges are more likely to be available at the refillers. you can save over half.

You can refil your own cartridge for about $1.
 
EPSON=Garbage
Canon=Garbage
HP=garbage that lasts a bit longer

After blowing through two Epsons and two Canons. My HP, while not stunning in the graphics dept, works fine as a home printer.

Laser is the way if you want quality.
 
I agree with KenW. IF you really like some pictures you've taken, take them to Sam's or Costco, I don't even think you need to have a membership to get pictures developed there.

If you buy this big expensive laser printer, think what it will cost to print one picture. If $ isn't an issue, go for it and buy a nice one. But, we take ours to Walmart or Costco if we want prints done. If we just want to print a picture at home for me to have at work or just for the heck of it, we print it on our HP PSC 1350. It does a decent job for what we want and is cheap per picture... Just my $0.0000000002
 
I would stay away from Epson. They have a separate, prone to plug up and quit working print head that is not replaced with every new cartridge. Of course, a new print head costs as a part, almost as much as a new printer. The no new print head cartridges are almost as expensive as other brands. Epson might be a good printer for an office that does lots of printing. For some more opinions see this thread I started recently,
http://theoildrop.server101.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=8;t=003515#000000.

You can buy a print/scan/copy for not too much more than a printer. I paid $100 for my HP PSC 2175 after rebate at Staples. Once you have one, you will find lots of uses if you don't already have a copier or scanner. You can buy transfer paper and print any image from your computer to a tee shirt or something. Imagine a tee shirt with a picture of your oil shrine on it. How about one with a really great UOA? My retired dog guide has a bandanna telling her status. So does her mother. I am involve in a children's health project now. I am downloading and printing brochures and parental permission slips from a web site. For those letters you must send the benighted, off line people, you can add colorful logos, making what you send look very official. If you need one stinking copy of something, you don't have to run out to someplace and pay 10 cents a copy if their copy machine happens to be working. If you print out a file and snail it, I guarantee the recipient will be able to open it.
 
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Originally posted by labman:
I would stay away from Epson. They have a separate, prone to plug up and quit working print head that is not replaced with every new cartridge. Of course, a new print head costs as a part, almost as much as a new printer.

Same with Canon.
 
a telling fact:

HP's most profitable division is the replacement ink cartridge group. It's the same for the other printer makers.

I've bought new printers for less $$ than the price of replacement cartridges. We went to Walmart for replacements for a Lexmark. Total cost of generic cartridges was going to be ~60. Instead we bought a NEW but discontinued Xerox scanner, copier, fax, printer for $75 and it even came with new cartridges.....shop around.

btw, the 'refill your own" inks are ok for memos and text and graphics (charts, etc), but the colors are usually awful for photos. But I'm kinda picky..

time for some self-promotion; some of my pics are at (train related, but they use oil, right?...
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http://www.railroadforums.com/photos/showgallery.php?ppuser=136&cat=500&thumb=1
 
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Originally posted by Pablo:
EPSON=Garbage
Canon=Garbage
HP=garbage that lasts a bit longer

After blowing through two Epsons and two Canons. My HP, while not stunning in the graphics dept, works fine as a home printer.
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Good assesment. I have thrown 2 year old Epson and Canon printers in the garbage because they quit working for the xth time and were off warranty.

My HP 7350 Photosmart is working well so far and does have very good photo quality. Pictures on good photo paper look better than the normal film photo processor work.

I heard of a special solvent to clean out the built in print heads in Canons and Epsons. Maybe FP would work
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The solvent would be worth a Google search and trial run for anyone with a clogged Epson or Cannon print head. A new print head for one of those typically costs more than replacing the printer with a newer better one.

Molecule might even be able to recommend something that would work on printer ink dried in heads.
 
I used to repair printers.

Epson - my preferred pick for inkjets - best-in-class compatability, good quality (reliable)

Canon - not in MY house, compatability rates a zero
Lexmark - not in MY house, compatability rates a zero
HP - expensive for what you get, sometimes OK, sometimes not, drivers suck.
Xerox - expensive, not very good, compatability is terrible
Brother - reasonable quality, slow, usually built like a tank, iffy compatability

Others: If you can find one, a dye-sublimation printer (like Alps), they have color so good you won't believe it -- think about it, with inkjets, the best color output is with extremely white and fine count paper, and inkjets by their very nature take white and make it darker. Dyesub, on the other hand, imprints a SOLID (not a liquid) color onto the paper so you could print WHITE onto black paper, for example. Color is outstanding. Price is usually higher (think $300-400 for a good printer). Sometimes E-Bay has them for less.

Lasers are THE BEST when it comes to black and white (and shades of graaaaayyyyy).

Color lasers are quite pricey but can only be beat by really nice dye-sub printers.

Hmm. Who else is there.
Kodak? Crap.
Regarding Epson's print heads - if you use the printer now and again it's not a problem. Epson has seperate carts for each color, a major bonus if you don't print stuff that has even color distribution.

In this market, it's really down to Canon and Epson, and Epson takes care of its users far better than Canon does. The quality of the product is about the same.

I own a laser for most printing and an Epson M300 for photos (I use Office Depot photo paper).

Epson also has some outstanding branded inks that more or less last forever.

Also look at:
http://www.ink4art.com/
for a good supplier of carts at reasonable prices.
 
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