Dealing with Contractors

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What is it with most of these people? Do they even want to do business? The economy is supposedly in the toilet. I'm trying to get some masonry work done as well as my roof, gutters, and downspouts. I'm contacting what are supposed to be the cream of the crop contractors in my area and half of them won't even return my phone calls. The one guy who actually came through and did an estimate - his offer was so out of the ballpark compared to my neighbors I literally laughed at him and he left! The mason contractor I'm trying to use has now confirmed two appointments only to call and say he can't make it - he was sick this morning.
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A 60 year old grown man used the "I'm sick" method to get out of fulfilling his commitment.

I'm at a loss at the moment. Should I start trying to find the worst of the worst guys to get this work done? At least that way, I won't be disappointed.
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I've never had good luck with ANY home improvement contractors.
 
It cuts both ways. Every contractor also has a million stories about homeowners breaking appointments, changing their minds at the last minute, trying to change terms after the contract is signed, etc.

Not saying you're in any way at fault. People should keep appointments and do what they say they're going to do.

I'm a plumbing contractor, but I'm not in the consumer market. I decided some time ago that I wanted to be in a position of working more than negotiating, to be more of a craftsman than a salesman. I advertise in a B-to-B directory and get plenty of work. It costs far less than traditional advertising to consumers.

Having said that, I had a similar experience to yours when trying to get a new roof on my house. Called a bunch of guys, finally got two estimates. Went with the lower one, not just because of price, but because I trusted the contractor, and got a good, serviceable roof. However, there were a few glitches in the process even then.
 
Don't know. I have a galvanized pipe leaking. I put a rubber patch on it and called neighbor plumber who was talking to me last month about doing jobs. He didn't return the call. I then tried a family-owned plumber, made an appointment for yesterday, he no-showed.
 
Not really any different than the guy running a small auto repair shop who always has an excuse why your car is not ready when he said it would be. A lot of people running their own small business may know their trade, but don't have a clue how to run their business.
 
I had a guy not show for an a/c replacement job...twice! He later called to reschedule and I laughed, I said please never call me again. How do they stay in business?

John
 
Originally Posted By: Stelth
It cuts both ways. Every contractor also has a million stories about homeowners breaking appointments, changing their minds at the last minute, trying to change terms after the contract is signed, etc.

Not saying you're in any way at fault. People should keep appointments and do what they say they're going to do.

I'm a plumbing contractor, but I'm not in the consumer market. I decided some time ago that I wanted to be in a position of working more than negotiating, to be more of a craftsman than a salesman. I advertise in a B-to-B directory and get plenty of work. It costs far less than traditional advertising to consumers.

Having said that, I had a similar experience to yours when trying to get a new roof on my house. Called a bunch of guys, finally got two estimates. Went with the lower one, not just because of price, but because I trusted the contractor, and got a good, serviceable roof. However, there were a few glitches in the process even then.


A fellow contractor.The knife certainly cuts both ways, however I keep my appointments, call people back, and deliver what I promise. That's what kept me in business since 1979. I find that some customers think that because the economy is supposed to be bad that I'm going to work for nothing. Their attitude is I need them, not so. There are plenty of good people willing to pay for quality work. What I'm finding more and more of, is work screwed up by the low-ballers, and customers who were successful in beating contractors down. If I allow that to happen there will be no recovering from it, I keep running the business the way I always have, sooner or later the bad times will end. You get what you pay for.

Now I also believe the OP is a stand-up guy, and just ran into some bad apples, unfortunately they can ruin the bunch and give everyone a bad rap. I went through it with an alarm company, and a window guy.
 
Yea, I can see how the knife cuts both ways. It happens often at my office where people use the lamest excuses to not show up for appointments.

maybe I shouldn't have signaled out contractors as a group. I'm just currently dealing with them and it's like pulling teeth, only when you get your teeth pulled, they give you laughing gas.

Is it a societal thing now a days? It's an exception, and not the rule, that people will honor their word, get the job done, and actually give half a [censored] about doing a good job it seems.
 
Originally Posted By: demarpaint
Originally Posted By: Stelth
It cuts both ways. Every contractor also has a million stories about homeowners breaking appointments, changing their minds at the last minute, trying to change terms after the contract is signed, etc.

Not saying you're in any way at fault. People should keep appointments and do what they say they're going to do.

I'm a plumbing contractor, but I'm not in the consumer market. I decided some time ago that I wanted to be in a position of working more than negotiating, to be more of a craftsman than a salesman. I advertise in a B-to-B directory and get plenty of work. It costs far less than traditional advertising to consumers.

Having said that, I had a similar experience to yours when trying to get a new roof on my house. Called a bunch of guys, finally got two estimates. Went with the lower one, not just because of price, but because I trusted the contractor, and got a good, serviceable roof. However, there were a few glitches in the process even then.


A fellow contractor.The knife certainly cuts both ways, however I keep my appointments, call people back, and deliver what I promise. That's what kept me in business since 1979. I find that some customers think that because the economy is supposed to be bad that I'm going to work for nothing. Their attitude is I need them, not so. There are plenty of good people willing to pay for quality work. What I'm finding more and more of, is work screwed up by the low-ballers, and customers who were successful in beating contractors down. If I allow that to happen there will be no recovering from it, I keep running the business the way I always have, sooner or later the bad times will end. You get what you pay for.

Now I also believe the OP is a stand-up guy, and just ran into some bad apples, unfortunately they can ruin the bunch and give everyone a bad rap. I went through it with an alarm company, and a window guy.


I certainly am not trying to low ball these guys. We had several nasty hail storms this spring, so everyone is getting their roofs replaced and I've talked with my neighbors. I know what their estimates and completed jobs have cost and the one guy that quoted me was trying to rip me off. I might look like a fell off a turnip truck, but I wasn't having any of that. My neighbor across the street has more square footage and a more complex roof; he got his done for $10K and this guy quoted me over $15K.

No no, in fact I'm willing to pay a premium for exceptional service if I can find it.
 
Originally Posted By: Drew99GT
Originally Posted By: demarpaint
Originally Posted By: Stelth
It cuts both ways. Every contractor also has a million stories about homeowners breaking appointments, changing their minds at the last minute, trying to change terms after the contract is signed, etc.

Not saying you're in any way at fault. People should keep appointments and do what they say they're going to do.

I'm a plumbing contractor, but I'm not in the consumer market. I decided some time ago that I wanted to be in a position of working more than negotiating, to be more of a craftsman than a salesman. I advertise in a B-to-B directory and get plenty of work. It costs far less than traditional advertising to consumers.

Having said that, I had a similar experience to yours when trying to get a new roof on my house. Called a bunch of guys, finally got two estimates. Went with the lower one, not just because of price, but because I trusted the contractor, and got a good, serviceable roof. However, there were a few glitches in the process even then.


A fellow contractor.The knife certainly cuts both ways, however I keep my appointments, call people back, and deliver what I promise. That's what kept me in business since 1979. I find that some customers think that because the economy is supposed to be bad that I'm going to work for nothing. Their attitude is I need them, not so. There are plenty of good people willing to pay for quality work. What I'm finding more and more of, is work screwed up by the low-ballers, and customers who were successful in beating contractors down. If I allow that to happen there will be no recovering from it, I keep running the business the way I always have, sooner or later the bad times will end. You get what you pay for.

Now I also believe the OP is a stand-up guy, and just ran into some bad apples, unfortunately they can ruin the bunch and give everyone a bad rap. I went through it with an alarm company, and a window guy.


I certainly am not trying to low ball these guys. We had several nasty hail storms this spring, so everyone is getting their roofs replaced and I've talked with my neighbors. I know what their estimates and completed jobs have cost and the one guy that quoted me was trying to rip me off. I might look like a fell off a turnip truck, but I wasn't having any of that. My neighbor across the street has more square footage and a more complex roof; he got his done for $10K and this guy quoted me over $15K.

No no, in fact I'm willing to pay a premium for exceptional service if I can find it.


As I said I think you're a stand up guy, I don't think you'd low ball anyone. You want a good job and are willing to pay a fair price for it. I was kinda venting, LOL. People stand me up from time to time. They need something done, schedule the work and then cancel at the last minute because they claim to have gotten a better price. I won't go into the whole deposit thing etc, it will take this OT. Good luck in your quest, it can be tough I know first hand exactly what you're going through. Its those same guys that help my business from time to time. After a customer has been burnt, they often come back looking for help and advise.
 
I would surmise that the hail damage issue your area had, in combination with the wildfire issues has caused the better contractors to have plenty of work.

Suggest talking to your neighbors who had satisfactory work done and call those contractors up. If you can, accept a "waiting list" situation. A second choice is to wait six or eight months when the surge of current construction work may slow down.

I have always had trouble getting masonry professionals to come out and do small jobs, so good luck in that respect.

At one time or another, I have used these techniques to get the work done, and find good quality contractors.
 
Originally Posted By: azjake
Not really any different than the guy running a small auto repair shop who always has an excuse why your car is not ready when he said it would be. A lot of people running their own small business may know their trade, but don't have a clue how to run their business.


This.

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I had a guy not show for an a/c replacement job...twice! He later called to reschedule and I laughed, I said please never call me again. How do they stay in business?


A lot of them don't.

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maybe I shouldn't have signaled out contractors as a group.


Don't sweat it. Contracting is popular with scam artists. The California State Contractors' License Board publishes a "most wanted" list, and there are some genuine hard-core criminals on it. They just chose contracting as a vehicle. There are also quite a few inept people out there that think there's "big money" in construction, and how hard could it be?

OTOH, when I realized that I don't need every customer, it was very liberating. I avoid the low-ballers, and I don't try to compete with the big drain-cleaning operators. Of course, I don't make appointments for these jobs and just not show up, I tell the customer that I won't be able to do their job.
 
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Originally Posted By: JayhawkRoy


I have always had trouble getting masonry professionals to come out and do small jobs, so good luck in that respect.



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I once watched some real professional block masons building a series of small retaining walls (they were building walls between houses I was doing the plumbing in), and their confidence and skill was something to behold.
 
You might be calling the wrong guys. A lot of the guys who work for me very rarely work for home owners. They pretty much just stick to builders and investors. Homeowners are a PITA in general, and its a one time job for a few bucks.

Also at least in my area, it may be a bad economy, but the guys who are good, are crazy busy.

Keep calling around, you just need to find the right person. Also make sure they have insurance, and request a copy for your file.
 
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If you've had recent hailstorms in the Spring, then the good roofers are still busy with work lined up for months perhaps. Your area also might be flooded with scam artists looking to make a quick buck off the insurance company, then split.

Also since you're in the Springs, with all the recent fires, even more reason for the good guys to be busy.

Prices usually rise in such circumstances. You're wise to ask around though, inquire about what your neighbors paid. Many won't fool with this, the insurance co. is paying; they just want it done & over with. That is until it begins to leak.....
 
There many talented folks who simply cannot manage time and money. General guys are the paid babysitters to coordinate the right guys to do the job.
 
I'm in the same boat as the OP. Turned down work, no shows, outrageous costing. I'm sick of it. I just need more time to actually get the work done.
 
I live in a blue collar city. I've never had a contractor not show up and do the job right the first time, surprisingly. I think most realize they are a dime a dozen here and they really work hard for the business.

Maybe there is a bigger story here?
 
I'm making progress today; I have 2 supposedly best of the best roofing contractors coming out to do estimates today and tomorrow.

I'm giving the masonry contractor 1 last chance and then I'm telling him off. I don't know what that guys problem is. We totally hit it off when he came out and did the estimate and now he finds every excuse in the book to not come out and do the job. Totally unacceptable. If he doesn't want to to the simple little repair I need, then TELL ME! The problem is, there are a handful of masonry contractors here and the others won't touch simple little repairs like a few bricks that need replacing.
 
Originally Posted By: Drew99GT

I've never had good luck with ANY home improvement contractors.


I've had hit/miss experiences over the years too.

Actually got burned big time by a big name sunroom/patio enclosure outfit back in ~2007. After they got my mandatory down pymt for materials, the place went belly-up. What a time I had.

I just had a concrete patio and some walks put in by a fella I found on CL of all places. Turns out he just started on his own after working for a larger local outfit and he was hungry for work, and to get his name out there. The guy was excellent. Price couldn't be beat either.

It's frustrating, but keep looking. You'll find someone who wants to do the work for you.

Joel
 
The payment part is what is tough.

I only use those who take credit card if they want to be paid ahead of time for portions of project. No real recourse when they disappear and they have your cash/check. Credit cards carry insurance for this.

Otherwise I pay them when materials show up and then work is finished or set portions thereof. It is a bad sign when a contractor needs money upfront to do a job. To me it means they are paying for their current job with your money and letting the next guy fund your project. Luck eventually runs out with them.
 
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