I work for a Mitsi dealer, and Mitsi have their own oil which we use on any vehicle under warranty, and as Mitsi is only about 40% of our work we use it on all other late model vehicles. Older vehicles get a 15W-40 from our bulk tanks...pumped over from a 205 litre drum. Even though Mitsubishi make everything from aircraft to pencils, I don't think they have their own refinery....I'm pretty sure it's BP.
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Originally Posted By: stower17
Originally Posted By: CKN
I don't believe any dealer will knowing put oil in you car that will in any way damage-regardless of the paranoia on this thread.
Most dealers will use oil that meet the minimums at the very least.
Happens more often than you think. Back in the days when GM used the GM4718 spec, there were plenty of LS1 powered camaros and even vettes getting regular conventional without the customer knowing. Brother bought an 01 SS camaro from original owner lady and she had "no idea" it required synthetic oil, LS1 camaros didnt have the Mobil 1 oil cap like the Corvette did either... All of her receipts from Chevy dealers showed oil changes as conventional 5W-30. Happened all the time at Cadillac dealers too. Requiring Dexos oil across the board was a smarter move IMO.
May very well happen more often than I think. But I'm not paranoid about letting a GOOD dealer change my oil when it's cold outside. Very few BITOG members can cite dealers buying motors due to gross incompetence. Then again-those who bash dealers the most drive cars that are a decade or two old.
Originally Posted By: CKN
I don't believe any dealer will knowing put oil in you car that will in any way damage-regardless of the paranoia on this thread.
Most dealers will use oil that meet the minimums at the very least.
Happens more often than you think. Back in the days when GM used the GM4718 spec, there were plenty of LS1 powered camaros and even vettes getting regular conventional without the customer knowing. Brother bought an 01 SS camaro from original owner lady and she had "no idea" it required synthetic oil, LS1 camaros didnt have the Mobil 1 oil cap like the Corvette did either... All of her receipts from Chevy dealers showed oil changes as conventional 5W-30. Happened all the time at Cadillac dealers too. Requiring Dexos oil across the board was a smarter move IMO.
May very well happen more often than I think. But I'm not paranoid about letting a GOOD dealer change my oil when it's cold outside. Very few BITOG members can cite dealers buying motors due to gross incompetence. Then again-those who bash dealers the most drive cars that are a decade or two old.
In Oz most bulk oil at dealers /garages /workshops appears to be a name brand semi-synthetic.
My local garage uses Valvoline DuraBlend 10W-40 that's API SN and ACEA A3/B4. It goes into everything. I think their logic is: better to have more oil in a older / cheaper car than less oil in a new / expensive car.
My local garage uses Valvoline DuraBlend 10W-40 that's API SN and ACEA A3/B4. It goes into everything. I think their logic is: better to have more oil in a older / cheaper car than less oil in a new / expensive car.
Originally Posted By: Silk
I work for a Mitsi dealer, and Mitsi have their own oil which we use on any vehicle under warranty, and as Mitsi is only about 40% of our work we use it on all other late model vehicles. Older vehicles get a 15W-40 from our bulk tanks...pumped over from a 205 litre drum. Even though Mitsubishi make everything from aircraft to pencils, I don't think they have their own refinery....I'm pretty sure it's BP.
Silk, what is the Mitsubishi oil weight & specs?
I work for a Mitsi dealer, and Mitsi have their own oil which we use on any vehicle under warranty, and as Mitsi is only about 40% of our work we use it on all other late model vehicles. Older vehicles get a 15W-40 from our bulk tanks...pumped over from a 205 litre drum. Even though Mitsubishi make everything from aircraft to pencils, I don't think they have their own refinery....I'm pretty sure it's BP.
Silk, what is the Mitsubishi oil weight & specs?
There is absolutly nothing on the bottle, which has always got me mad....they say it's a 5W30 synthetic, I doubt the synth part, but the cars are supposed to have 5W30, so that part is right. The handbook in the diesels says use MSL, and no mention of grade, so that's what we use. I'm going on a course next month, I'm going to get some answers....
The new Triton is out and we have some must use or else oil on the shelves, it's 15W40 and has API and AECA ratings...but we haven't done an oil change on one yet. They call it DPF oil.
The new Triton is out and we have some must use or else oil on the shelves, it's 15W40 and has API and AECA ratings...but we haven't done an oil change on one yet. They call it DPF oil.
What ! They don't tell you what the specs on the oil are? That's crazy.
Let us know if you find out anything at the course.
I hear those new Tritons are nice.
Let us know if you find out anything at the course.
I hear those new Tritons are nice.
I'm just going to jump in here and answer the question in my opinion as it was asked for thoughts. It is not fine to run 7,500 and not know what they are using. Now I am jaded as I ran intervals like that with Valvoline White Bottle on my 05 Honda Odyssey and it some years later I am paying the price. WIth that said I know your vehicle is likely not as hard on oil as mine was but do you know that for a fact? Also dealer Mobil like the one my local shop uses is not Mobil Super 5000 (15% more cleaning additive) its just Mobil Special, now yes its likely SN to cover other cars they service but still honestly some cars can eat up oil and if you plan to keep it 200,000 miles you likely shouldn't blindly run 7,500 interval on (who knows what type of oil). If you know of other cars just like yours with UOA showing its easy on oil perhaps but still long term its not as healty as something more conservative like 6mon/5k or something like that. I am sure I will get a bunch of people saying I'm crazy but I had the learn the hard way.
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Originally Posted By: fscarano
How many would trust dealer bulk for a 7500mi OC. I don't know what brand the dealer uses.
Thanks in advance.
I would not trust anyone except my own eyes. Why not ask to look at the containers of oil they use?
The oil comes in 55 gallon barrels that is clearly marked and are in the shop someplace. If they tell you its restricted, everyone has a cell phone, ask them to take a photo of it.
Anything less is not acceptable.
Not all shops use 55 gallon drums for bulk oil. Most bigger places have more perament systems in place using 275 gallon tanks.
Originally Posted By: fscarano
How many would trust dealer bulk for a 7500mi OC. I don't know what brand the dealer uses.
Thanks in advance.
I would not trust anyone except my own eyes. Why not ask to look at the containers of oil they use?
The oil comes in 55 gallon barrels that is clearly marked and are in the shop someplace. If they tell you its restricted, everyone has a cell phone, ask them to take a photo of it.
Anything less is not acceptable.
Not all shops use 55 gallon drums for bulk oil. Most bigger places have more perament systems in place using 275 gallon tanks.
WalMart will go out in the sales area and pick up quarts of the oil you specify and put it in your engine. Darn dealers, will put oil in your vehicle from a 275 gallon bulk tank that may have additive separation for months. As GM states, That's Profession Grade service. Ha
Originally Posted By: supton
Originally Posted By: mer
I would not use it in my vehicle
Why not? Says it's "high quality" and "...provide outstanding wear protection..." Even in turbocharged engines.
It's good stuff, it says so.
That stuff is only API SM. What if you have a car that needs SN? Voided warranty anyone?
Originally Posted By: mer
I would not use it in my vehicle
Why not? Says it's "high quality" and "...provide outstanding wear protection..." Even in turbocharged engines.
It's good stuff, it says so.
That stuff is only API SM. What if you have a car that needs SN? Voided warranty anyone?
Originally Posted By: Run
Originally Posted By: supton
Originally Posted By: mer
I would not use it in my vehicle
Why not? Says it's "high quality" and "...provide outstanding wear protection..." Even in turbocharged engines.
It's good stuff, it says so.
That stuff is only API SM. What if you have a car that needs SN? Voided warranty anyone?
Strange thing is, its says GF-4 on the packaging but has also GF-5 on the label? Wouldn't it be smarter to put GF-5 on it instead cause its the newer sepc?
Originally Posted By: supton
Originally Posted By: mer
I would not use it in my vehicle
Why not? Says it's "high quality" and "...provide outstanding wear protection..." Even in turbocharged engines.
It's good stuff, it says so.
That stuff is only API SM. What if you have a car that needs SN? Voided warranty anyone?
Strange thing is, its says GF-4 on the packaging but has also GF-5 on the label? Wouldn't it be smarter to put GF-5 on it instead cause its the newer sepc?
I also find it odd the dealer can't tell you what oil brand they use. As someone mentioned, the parts manager should be able to tell you off the top of their head.
Most Nissan/Infiniti dealers use bulk ExxonMobil products for conventional, and packaged M1 if the customer wants it or the vehicle requires it. Can't speak for other OEMs and what is typical for them. At the end of the day, if the dealer maintaining your car causes damage to your car by using an out of spec oil, they would be on the hook after the manufacturer denied your warranty. As you can imagine, that could be hard to prove and isolate the oil as the root cause of the failure.
If I was you I'd keep bringing my own oil unless they can tell you what they're using and you feel good about the brand.
Most Nissan/Infiniti dealers use bulk ExxonMobil products for conventional, and packaged M1 if the customer wants it or the vehicle requires it. Can't speak for other OEMs and what is typical for them. At the end of the day, if the dealer maintaining your car causes damage to your car by using an out of spec oil, they would be on the hook after the manufacturer denied your warranty. As you can imagine, that could be hard to prove and isolate the oil as the root cause of the failure.
If I was you I'd keep bringing my own oil unless they can tell you what they're using and you feel good about the brand.
The bulk oil at my work says "MaxLife 5w30" and the gallon amount we are getting. Same with the "ECO ULTRA" 0w20 from Safety Kleen
Shop i work in uses Valvoline. Our 5w20/30 conventional is in 2 big bulk tanks and the maxlife and synpower oils are in 55 gallon drums.
As a tech I knew what we were using at a GM dealer Pontiac Buick GMC
Mobil products
5w30 clean not 5000 bulk (I got a spec sheet on this one for me)
10w30 clean not 5000 bulk ( I saw a spec sheet on this one)
15w40 delvac bulk didn't see the sheet
Mobil 1 5w-30 bulk didn't see the sheet
If I had actually ever been asked for the spec sheets I could have got them for customers
Mobil products
5w30 clean not 5000 bulk (I got a spec sheet on this one for me)
10w30 clean not 5000 bulk ( I saw a spec sheet on this one)
15w40 delvac bulk didn't see the sheet
Mobil 1 5w-30 bulk didn't see the sheet
If I had actually ever been asked for the spec sheets I could have got them for customers
The Ford/Mazda/Subaru dealership I worked at in 2006 had a 5k gallon bulk Quaker State 5W-30 tank. Everything else they had was in drums.
Originally Posted By: SR5
What ! They don't tell you what the specs on the oil are? That's crazy.
Let us know if you find out anything at the course.
I hear those new Tritons are nice.
Had our first new Triton in for a service today, so took some photos of the bottles. This is the MSL, which I pressume is 5W30 seeing as the Colt, Mirage, Lancer, ASX and Outlander all spec that grade. ''Special Hydrocrack Synthetic Technology'' sounds like BP/Castrol speak for Group III.
This is the oil we have to put in the new Tritons, it has some info on the front, and a speel on the back.
What ! They don't tell you what the specs on the oil are? That's crazy.
Let us know if you find out anything at the course.
I hear those new Tritons are nice.
Had our first new Triton in for a service today, so took some photos of the bottles. This is the MSL, which I pressume is 5W30 seeing as the Colt, Mirage, Lancer, ASX and Outlander all spec that grade. ''Special Hydrocrack Synthetic Technology'' sounds like BP/Castrol speak for Group III.
This is the oil we have to put in the new Tritons, it has some info on the front, and a speel on the back.
Thanks for that Silk.
Yep the MSL sounds like a 5W-30 group 3 synthetic or maybe semi-synthetic. Sometimes "synthetic technology" translates to semi-synthetic. Either way it sounds like fine enough stuff. Do you think it's a ILSAC 5W-30 or a heavier A3/B3 oil?
That 5W-40 DPF is ACEA C3, it wouldn't surprise me if that was a full synthetic.
I would happily use either of those oils. That DPF C3 could work nicely in your Merc or Volvo.
Yep the MSL sounds like a 5W-30 group 3 synthetic or maybe semi-synthetic. Sometimes "synthetic technology" translates to semi-synthetic. Either way it sounds like fine enough stuff. Do you think it's a ILSAC 5W-30 or a heavier A3/B3 oil?
That 5W-40 DPF is ACEA C3, it wouldn't surprise me if that was a full synthetic.
I would happily use either of those oils. That DPF C3 could work nicely in your Merc or Volvo.
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