Cybertruck now priced starting at $75,000

My comments were based on the article. Regarding the truck, it would still be a hard no for me, tax credit or not. I do agree a truck is a horrible platform for an EV. Look no further than the Lightening, I'll refrain from further commenting about that or any FMC products in general.

I did a little double take when you mentioned “FMC”. I’m assuming you meant Ford, but for me, FMC was the Food Machinery Corporation, which my uncle worked for on the Bradley Fighting Vehicle.
 
I did a little double take when you mentioned “FMC”. I’m assuming you meant Ford, but for me, FMC was the Food Machinery Corporation, which my uncle worked for on the Bradley Fighting Vehicle.
I'm old, FMC was often referred to Ford Motor Company in my day.
 
I still think a smaller truck would be ideal and by smaller I mean something along the lines of the original Datsun and Toyota trucks. Good for homeowners to get chores done and you are not stressing the battery range with heavy towing and hauling.
Definitely agree. The Rivian isn't horribly sized though it isn't small and it's just still so heavy. A Maverick sized EV would likely be popular.
 
I did a little double take when you mentioned “FMC”. I’m assuming you meant Ford, but for me, FMC was the Food Machinery Corporation, which my uncle worked for on the Bradley Fighting Vehicle.
FMC was across the street from the airport. You could see tanks running around from time to time. I was inside once and saw a shot up tank...
 
I did a little double take when you mentioned “FMC”. I’m assuming you meant Ford, but for me, FMC was the Food Machinery Corporation, which my uncle worked for on the Bradley Fighting Vehicle.

I'm old, FMC was often referred to Ford Motor Company in my day.


I’m old too and the first name that I think of when I see FMC is Federal Mogul Corporation.
 
The Cybertrucks aren't even in the hands of the consumers yet but the hate fest is in full force. Along with speculation.
$75k is not out of line with many well optioned pickup trucks these days. How about we wait and see what real world pricing looks like along with actual owner's reports and satisfaction ?

The ultimate success and failure of the Cybertruck will be determined when a sufficient number are in the hands of consumers with a sufficient amount of time having elapsed for a fair evaluation of their performance and quality control. Not by Instagram posters or anti EV/Tesla/Elon Musk zealots pontificating from their keyboards.

And yes it is butt ugly. That doesn't seem to matter though to the over 1.2 million people who put a deposit down though does it ?
Even if more than half of them back out of their commitment, how will that compare to the number of Rivians and Ford F-150 Lightnings sold ? We'll find out. I wouldn't bet against Elon.
 
The Cybertrucks aren't even in the hands of the consumers yet but the hate fest is in full force. Along with speculation.
$75k is not out of line with many well optioned pickup trucks these days. How about we wait and see what real world pricing looks like along with actual owner's reports and satisfaction ?

The ultimate success and failure of the Cybertruck will be determined when a sufficient number are in the hands of consumers with a sufficient amount of time having elapsed for a fair evaluation of their performance and quality control. Not by Instagram posters or anti EV/Tesla/Elon Musk zealots pontificating from their keyboards.

And yes it is butt ugly. That doesn't seem to matter though to the over 1.2 million people who put a deposit down though does it ?
Even if more than half of them back out of their commitment, how will that compare to the number of Rivians and Ford F-150 Lightnings sold ? We'll find out. I wouldn't bet against Elon.

Yes but if you had $75,000 to spend on a truck would it be a Cybertruk or a top trim Toyota Tundra ?

I think most would go for the Tundra.
 
Yes but if you had $75,000 to spend on a truck would it be a Cybertruk or a top trim Toyota Tundra ?

I think most would go for the Tundra.
I would, although not top trim (save the money for gas instead).
 
Fits this thread perfectly, as the Cybertruck is no bargain, and the starting price is way out of my price range. If pickup trucks all become this expensive, only the wealthy or frivolous will own them.
Ah, now you're starting to catch on to the real game. In five years no new pickup by anybody, EV or not, will be under $100K.
 
And yes it is butt ugly. That doesn't seem to matter though to the over 1.2 million people who put a deposit down though does it ?
Your numbers are a bit dated; there are closer to 2M current reservations which will take 5 years to fulfill. Of course things will continue to change; everything does.
The Cybertruck is not for me; I like my trusty Tundra. One thing is for sure, Ford and GM better hope the Cybertruck is a flop otherwise it is a direct hit against their bread-and-butter truck business. Time will tell.
 
Ah, now you're starting to catch on to the real game. In five years no new pickup by anybody, EV or not, will be under $100K.
What is the game?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but OEM's don't make money on vehicles that they don't sell. They can increase markup to make up loss in units sold, but at some point, infinite markup times zero sales is still zero money made.
 
Ah, now you're starting to catch on to the real game. In five years no new pickup by anybody, EV or not, will be under $100K.
I don't think that will be the case at all. There's still plenty of work trucks around if you look and even lightly optioned ones under $50k with the average truck still around $60k looking at my local dealer's websites. The top trims take the bragging rights since luxury is the goal at that level. We're seeing inflation rearing its ugly head and there's only so much we can do with that. The EVs are leaning more on the higher end of things and I think those trucks will trend with the luxury optioned trucks, but I think the issue with many is the profitability of EVs. It's easier to get meat on the bone and make money if it can be padded through a higher cost and making it more upmarket than to try and mass produce and attempt to sell at a lower competitive price when most are losing money on the sales as is.
 
What is the game?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but OEM's don't make money on vehicles that they don't sell. They can increase markup to make up loss in units sold, but at some point, infinite markup times zero sales is still zero money made.
Yeah, economics teaches us prices will tend to rise until consumption falls to an unacceptable point.
In the case of products that are important (like trucks and oil), producers got us by the short hairs. Why would Ford and the others offer strippie trucks when they can load them up with options which pad margins?
The same is true of the Cybertruck. Tesla will build the more profitable versions as long as they can. That's business.
 
FMC was across the street from the airport. You could see tanks running around from time to time. I was inside once and saw a shot up tank...

My uncle had a photo of him with several coworkers on the top of one. I think their successor (BAE Systems) moved out a while ago, but I remember seeing them there.
 
Yeah, economics teaches us prices will tend to rise until consumption falls to an unacceptable point.
In the case of products that are important (like trucks and oil), producers got us by the short hairs. Why would Ford and the others offer strippie trucks when they can load them up with options which pad margins?
The same is true of the Cybertruck. Tesla will build the more profitable versions as long as they can. That's business.
Although, consumption of an expensive niche product, is always low. Demand may exceed expectations by an order of magnitude, but the average Joe remains priced out of the loop.

Did a Jupiter-Melborne-Stuart-Jupiter run yesterday. 250 miles in total, made it to my Dr Appt with 3 minutes to spare. Took me 3 minutes to get gas.

I remain convinced the affordable version of the Cybertruck could not have done this very high speed run without charging before the Dr. Appt.
 
Although, consumption of an expensive niche product, is always low. Demand may exceed expectations by an order of magnitude, but the average Joe remains priced out of the loop.

Did a Jupiter-Melborne-Stuart-Jupiter run yesterday. 250 miles in total, made it to my Dr Appt with 3 minutes to spare. Took me 3 minutes to get gas.

I remain convinced the affordable version of the Cybertruck could not have done this very high speed run without charging before the Dr. Appt.
The way that polished turd looks to be assembled I wouldn't trust it to make that long distance run. Also, don't think I could make the effort to drive 250 miles for a dr. appt either, bwahaha!
 
Although, consumption of an expensive niche product, is always low. Demand may exceed expectations by an order of magnitude, but the average Joe remains priced out of the loop.

Did a Jupiter-Melborne-Stuart-Jupiter run yesterday. 250 miles in total, made it to my Dr Appt with 3 minutes to spare. Took me 3 minutes to get gas.

I remain convinced the affordable version of the Cybertruck could not have done this very high speed run without charging before the Dr. Appt.
I can give you a real world example that basically supports your point.
I had never discussed buying a Tesla with wifey until a rainy day in Dec 2018. For fun we took a test drive one and decided to buy one out of the blue. We had to take delivery before Jan 1st to get the big fat tax credit.
We bought the Model 3 Mid Range RWD with white paint and alloy 19" wheels as options.

Love the car. But I should have bought the Long Range. But at the time Tesla was a flash in the pan and sure to be belly up any day.

On a side note, we lived on So. Palm Blvd, Melbourne in '65 - '66 as my Dad was an Aero Space Engineer at Radiation, now part of Lockheed-Martin.
In late '66 we came out West.
 
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It was all bait and switch vaporware designed to pump the stock. Same with the roadster. Investors and depositors should sue.
 
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