CVTII automatic in 2012 Jeep is quirky

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Our 2012 Patriot has been difficult for me to get used to, but on a recent trip I found out a little more. This a 3000 pound small SUV with a 2.0l 4 cylinder engine. On a stretch of highway with several long up hill down hill grades she shined. With speed control on the engine never raced going up hill but if I tried to maintain speed manually the engine raced to 4000+ rpm. I was surprised that the the computer can maintain speed on long up hill grades without racing the engine, but I could not maintain speed manually without racing the engine. Just wanted to share an observation.
 
Originally Posted By: jorton
Our 2012 Patriot has been difficult for me to get used to, but on a recent trip I found out a little more. This a 3000 pound small SUV with a 2.0l 4 cylinder engine. On a stretch of highway with several long up hill down hill grades she shined. With speed control on the engine never raced going up hill but if I tried to maintain speed manually the engine raced to 4000+ rpm. I was surprised that the the computer can maintain speed on long up hill grades without racing the engine, but I could not maintain speed manually without racing the engine. Just wanted to share an observation.


While our MDX doesn't vary its operating to that degree, it does seem that the torque converter stays engaged more while in cruise control than without. I have a theory that explains it. I don't know if it's right, or even if my perception about the torque converter is accurate, but nonetheless...

If you're not using cruise control, the computer doesn't know what's coming next, so to speak. You could suddenly call for more throttle and it needs to be ready. It could downshift, or move to a shorter ratio in the case of a CVT, but that would take time. It's my theory that in hilly environments, and if cruise control is not being used, the computer is a little more conservative with transmission operation, for faster response on the go-pedal if required. In other words, it stays poised to provide more sauce if you want it.

On the flip side of that coin, if you are using cruise control, the computer can at least make an assumption that its directive to maintain that set speed won't change, and it doesn't expect to have to suddenly provide more power, so it can be a little more liberal with tieing the engine down to a lower speed to save fuel...just enough that it can maintain speed, but without much power in reserve.
 
You have to have a light foot and really feather that throttle or it's like it's slipping . I use the cruise in my Ford 500 as much as possible if driving conditions allow but I have got pretty good of being aware how the RPM's are effected when working the throttle manually , it's certainly different from a traditional auto and takes some getting used too .

My 500 get awesome mileage BTW for a full size AWD car , only runs at about 1600 RPM at 60 MPH/100 Kmph , 2000 RPM at 75 MPH
 
My Grandfather had an 80's Subaru wagon with AWD and an automatic. Severely underpowered for the mountains of PA but it was a neat little car.

One thing he found is that the car would do better with the cruise on than without, similar to what you experience.

My thought is similar to Hokiefyd's. With the cruise on the computer is able to predict things better. It can see a 1 MPH drop in speed and add throttle to bring it up or hold it there. It's a lot easier to maintain speed on a grade than accelerate. So it will keep adding throttle to maintain speed and since it knows its in control it will keep things in the proper power band.

When you are doing it, you may not notice 1 MPH drop and wait until 5 MPH to get on the gas. By that time you have to accelerate up to your speed and with limited power it may not happen or it will happen very slowly.
 
The CVT in my Nissan was hard to get used too at first, but after awhile I found it was a lot smoother than a car with gears.
 
Originally Posted By: alex3686
The CVT in my Nissan was hard to get used too at first, but after awhile I found it was a lot smoother than a car with gears.


Definitely a learning curve getting used to the CVT and how to drive with it to your advantage as far as fuel economy .
In northern Ontario toward North Bay on Hwy 11 there are some long grades of about 12-15 degree and with my car set on cruise the RMP nor the speed budge at all .
 
Originally Posted By: nitehawk55
You have to have a light foot and really feather that throttle or it's like it's slipping . I use the cruise in my Ford 500 as much as possible if driving conditions allow but I have got pretty good of being aware how the RPM's are effected when working the throttle manually , it's certainly different from a traditional auto and takes some getting used too .

My 500 get awesome mileage BTW for a full size AWD car , only runs at about 1600 RPM at 60 MPH/100 Kmph , 2000 RPM at 75 MPH


That's a good description and the exact remedy. Will take practice and discipline.
 
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