Current Oils with Dexos 1 Gen 3 approval?

[kschachn]

why are companies tightening their belts and don't want to pay the Dexos licensing fee? I highly doubt the product in the containers have changed any and still is perfectly fine to use.

That’s not it.

 

[kschachn]

Formula changes. Dexos requires retesting($2.5 million+)with a formula change. Group 3 base oil shortage so companies are getting whatever they can.

GTL shortage mostly, causing pressure on other Group III supplies. Those blenders that weren’t 100% GTL Group III from Pearl have an easier time with it.

 

[facility1]

Don't forget the additive pac., some of the components are getting more $$ and harder to come by due to multiple current situations.

 

[kschachn]

Don't forget the additive pac., some of the components are getting more $$ and harder to come by due to multiple current situations.

Where have you seen this?

 

[RyanY]

This should be the most recent, updated Dexos list.

https://www.gmdexos.com/brands/dexos1_3/index.html

 

[facility1]

you being a chemist you must know this. Well the prices are not coming down.

 

[DCDG]

They’re just draining the swamp 5w-30 will be the new norm and manufacture certs won’t mean a thing.

 

[Snagglefoot]

Not sure if anything is very fancy with Dexos 1 Gen 3. After all, Pennzoil Gold semi-synthetic has the designation.

 

[GW.]

Not sure if anything is very fancy with Dexos 1 Gen 3. After all, Pennzoil Gold semi-synthetic has the designation.

Not something I shoot for. Others seem to love it.

 

[ZeeOSix]

Where have you seen this?

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Post in thread 'Walmart Oil Aisle Today'

Wednesday at 1:13 PM

For those that want the non conspiracy theory version.

https://jobbersworld.com/2026/07/29...rking-through-the-lubricant-supply-chain/amp/

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"Blenders also faced several rounds of additive increases that cumulatively exceeded 20% in some cases, reflecting higher raw material, freight and other supplier costs."

 

[facility1]

Where have you seen this?

this is my source of the subject, also there are similar articles in the Machinery lubrication mag. too and even other places.

 

[kschachn]

Thanks for that.

Still though, the main problem here seems to be the loss of the Pearl production. Higher additive prices result in higher shelf prices, but loss of supply result in the shortage we see here.

 

[kschachn]

They’re just draining the swamp 5w-30 will be the new norm and manufacture certs won’t mean a thing.

I hope not. I still want a VW 504 00 oil, not some random ILSAC grade.

 

[BobsArmory]

Where have you seen this?

Sulfur production is needed for ZDDP,, sulfurized EP additives, sulfonate detergents etc. From Lubrication Explained

 

[The Critic]

Formula changes. Dexos requires retesting($2.5 million+)with a formula change. Group 3 base oil shortage so companies are getting whatever they can.

I know the blender pays the royalty fee, but I thought the additive supplier foots the bill for most testing.

https://www.aftonchemical.com/resources-events/industry-trends/dexostm1-gen3/hitec-11183-pcmo/
https://www.oronite.com/about/news-activities/oronite-receives-gm-dexos1-gen3-approval.html

 

[GW.]

I know the blender pays the royalty fee, but I thought the additive supplier foots the bill for most testing.

https://www.aftonchemical.com/resources-events/industry-trends/dexostm1-gen3/hitec-11183-pcmo/
https://www.oronite.com/about/news-activities/oronite-receives-gm-dexos1-gen3-approval.html

You’re correct for the pre made formulas. Anything outside that formula is on the blender. I learned this from a live q&a with Ravenol and LSJR. I was shocked at the cost.

I believe this is the vid.

 

[The Critic]

You’re correct for the pre made formulas. Anything outside that formula is on the blender. I learned this from a live q&a with Ravenol and LSJR. I was shocked at the cost.

I believe this is the vid.

Given the number of flavors that most majors have, I can't imagine paying $2.5M per line to test. These products are mainly marketed towards the DIY market and that market has been shrinking every year. I would expect a lot of these to be pre-made formulas.

 

[GW.]

Given the number of flavors that most majors have, I can't imagine paying $2.5M per line to test. These products are mainly marketed towards the DIY market and that market has been shrinking every year. I would expect a lot of these to be pre-made formulas.

I know all the house brands 100% are pre-made formulas. The majors that own or co-own additive companies are all set. The others I’m not sure.

In the current situation I wonder if base oil availability is changing so fast even the additive companies are holding off on testing?