Friends don’t let friends buy Nissan.
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On paper? I don't trust those figures. My Ram is advertised to have the largest rear seat legroom #'s in the segment but a last-gen F-150 is subjectively larger when sitting in the second row.
He's a Toyota guy so we never made it to visit other crossover makes. Straight to the Toyota dealer. We test drove a brand new Corolla. I thought it drove pretty good. Nice smooth ride for a small car. I don't have anything with a CVT but I assume that's what it was because I never heard it shift. He hit his head somehow getting in it. So that was the end of that. Next was a 2017 RAV4 limited with 50k in a strange blue I've never seen before. Nice wheels nice interior but that color, and in that year the front end looks like a Star Wars stormtrooper. Not very good looking in my opinion. Had a rough ride. It doesn't feel like a crossover it feels like a pickup truck kind of ride. Stiff. You feel every bump. And there were several rattles coming from the back. I intentionally poisoned that deal. I just told him it was ugly and I didn't like that rattle. Next was a maroon 2019 RAV4 SE AWD with 20K on it. A refreshed look which is much nicer. Large LCD display with a lot of functions including phone integration for navigation. Had different ride options. Another stiff ride with some rattles. The back seats were lower. Not sure why. Nice shifting transmission. The engine felt pretty good for a 4 banger. We both like this one.
So now comes the fun part. How much. Of course all they want to know is what kind of monthly payment can he afford. They take his 2012 sienna away for evaluation. They have all the information because that's where it was serviced. The body is a little rough though. I'm saying that kindly. There are several good sizeed scrapes on the passenger side. No way they would resell that it would go to auction. It's funny how these new car dealers don't want to talk about what the trade is worth. All they want to talk about is the payments. So I'm getting a little frustrated with them because they want to bundle everything. But the reality is that sienna needs to go and I'm not going to be the one that resells it or does the body work. All I got out of them is they would take the price down 3K and take away that sienna. So that puts us at 20k. Okay fine cuz he's putting most of the money down and making small monthly payments for 4 years.
Then we go in to process the deal and of course they want to sell things like paint sealer and tire warranties, silly stuff. I said no. It's a certified Toyota so it gets the new car warranties which are (I think was) one year comprehensive and 100k engine and drivetrain. But they didn't stop there. They gave a second offer of full comprehensive for 100k, 4 years of oil changes, and the tire an paint deal. For another year's worth of payments. I wouldn't do it but thinking about her dad being 75 years old deaf has a relationship with that dealer I said yeah you should do it. So it wasn't the best deal because I feel like they stole that 2012 Sienna. But because of the condition of the body it was probably best to see it go. Today when we went to turn in a second set of keys and get some more paperwork interestingly the Sienna was at the front door idling with repair plates on it. And I heard them talking about fixing it. Figures considering they have all the history.
Anyways here it is.
So now comes the fun part. How much. Of course all they want to know is what kind of monthly payment can he afford. They take his 2012 sienna away for evaluation. They have all the information because that's where it was serviced. The body is a little rough though. I'm saying that kindly. There are several good sizeed scrapes on the passenger side. No way they would resell that it would go to auction. It's funny how these new car dealers don't want to talk about what the trade is worth. All they want to talk about is the payments. So I'm getting a little frustrated with them because they want to bundle everything. But the reality is that sienna needs to go and I'm not going to be the one that resells it or does the body work. All I got out of them is they would take the price down 3K and take away that sienna. So that puts us at 20k. Okay fine cuz he's putting most of the money down and making small monthly payments for 4 years.
Then we go in to process the deal and of course they want to sell things like paint sealer and tire warranties, silly stuff. I said no. It's a certified Toyota so it gets the new car warranties which are (I think was) one year comprehensive and 100k engine and drivetrain. But they didn't stop there. They gave a second offer of full comprehensive for 100k, 4 years of oil changes, and the tire an paint deal. For another year's worth of payments. I wouldn't do it but thinking about her dad being 75 years old deaf has a relationship with that dealer I said yeah you should do it. So it wasn't the best deal because I feel like they stole that 2012 Sienna. But because of the condition of the body it was probably best to see it go. Today when we went to turn in a second set of keys and get some more paperwork interestingly the Sienna was at the front door idling with repair plates on it. And I heard them talking about fixing it. Figures considering they have all the history.
Anyways here it is.
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Reading the 728 page online manual the engine uses 0w16 and the OCI is 10K 
I'm not anti thin oil. But I'm not sure 10K is something he should do because that's a long time to go without checking the oil. Which he's not going to do. I'm thinking he should go with the severe service plan which is 5K OCIs optional 0w-20 if 0w-16 is unavailable. Or not worry about it because he has a 100K comprehensive warranty. Thoughts?
I'm not anti thin oil. But I'm not sure 10K is something he should do because that's a long time to go without checking the oil. Which he's not going to do. I'm thinking he should go with the severe service plan which is 5K OCIs optional 0w-20 if 0w-16 is unavailable. Or not worry about it because he has a 100K comprehensive warranty. Thoughts?Why is a new Toyota rattling?
I read it as a CPO '17 had strange rattles. Had 50k on the clock. Rough ride makes me think it was a Sport model with runflats but I'm probably thinking of prior models & generation (plus the OP called it a Limited, hard to miss that detail), maybe tires were over-inflated as part of the dealer prep to put onto the lot.
Shouldn't be ratttling
I guess this is why toyota reliability rating continues to slide. Shouldn't rattle at such low miles.
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I don't agree on over-inflated tires. That's not causing rattles. Loose panels and lack of panel isolation are to blame. I could air my CX5's tires up to 50psi and it wouldn't rattle. It would just ride very rough and feel very "twitchy".
https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a30997060/2020-toyota-recall-camry-avalon-rav4-engine-cracks/
My last cx5 was a rental for the first 28k miles. No rattles until the rear spoiler came loose around 70k. Tightened it down and back to bank vault. The 2017+ models are even more rigid and well isolated. If a vehicle rattles and hasn't legit been in a wreck...
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