Crappiest car make / model?
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"I am also pretty sure that the Geo/Chevy Metro made by Suzuki was actualy a Japanese car and was actually built by Suzuki with no connection to Daewoo"XS650
The Geo Metro was built by Suzuki in the Cami Motors Plant in Canada and are simple, easy to maintain rugged vehicles. I had a 91 Metro, if it had been around in the fifties VW would never have sold many bugs. It had a heater that worked, and an airconditioner, and you didn't have to adjust the valves. If the timing belt broke no sweat it didn't eat the valves and pistons, just install a new timing belt (about two hours labor) and go. Plus it got 45-50 mpg. I read somewhere that GM bought Daewoo so the Metro line is long gone.
[ March 31, 2004, 06:09 PM: Message edited by: Bob Woods ]
The Geo Metro was built by Suzuki in the Cami Motors Plant in Canada and are simple, easy to maintain rugged vehicles. I had a 91 Metro, if it had been around in the fifties VW would never have sold many bugs. It had a heater that worked, and an airconditioner, and you didn't have to adjust the valves. If the timing belt broke no sweat it didn't eat the valves and pistons, just install a new timing belt (about two hours labor) and go. Plus it got 45-50 mpg. I read somewhere that GM bought Daewoo so the Metro line is long gone.
[ March 31, 2004, 06:09 PM: Message edited by: Bob Woods ]
Although based on a Fiat at the time, a reasonably modern design, I'm not sure how anything could really compete against Yugos for this dubious title. This was a product of an Eastern European/Soviet manufacturing process. There's other junk piles that came from there as well, but they weren't exported like the Yugo.
I think one good yard stick for this contest is road presence. If a particular model is basically extinct from the highways, that would help suggest top honors -- I recently saw a Yugo in surprisingly nice condition, but it was the first one I had seen in probably a year or more. They basically don't exist anymore.
I think one good yard stick for this contest is road presence. If a particular model is basically extinct from the highways, that would help suggest top honors -- I recently saw a Yugo in surprisingly nice condition, but it was the first one I had seen in probably a year or more. They basically don't exist anymore.
I worked with two people that had the 3 cylinder versions. Both had 40 mile+ commutes and didnt believe in proper maintenance. Both got about 150,000 miles with essentially no unscheduled maint and then got rid of them because they were looking so bad from lack of care.
It would be interesting to see how long one would last with good care.
both kia and hyundai are korean cars and both have an average relaibilty rating.
Daewoo has been around just as long, i just dont think that they were able to get their feet firmly planeted in the u.s market.
There engines are zero tolerance motors, similar to the ones produced by honda, which means if you break a timing belt you will more that likely do damadge to the valve train.
Daewoo has been around just as long, i just dont think that they were able to get their feet firmly planeted in the u.s market.
There engines are zero tolerance motors, similar to the ones produced by honda, which means if you break a timing belt you will more that likely do damadge to the valve train.
1. Yugo
2. Gremlin.
3. Pacer
2. Gremlin.
3. Pacer
Ha ha....the slap seems to be coming back a bit. It was noticeable yesterday. I'm eager to run the 15W-50 M1 to see how it does.quote:
Originally posted by Chris B.:
How is the Z doing these days?quote:
Originally posted by Last_Z:
My 02 Z28 had all 8 pistons replaced.......other than that, is a very good car.
Were the Gremlin and Pacer actually significantly worse than typical AMC products, or were the just typical AMC products with a terminal case of ugly?
The Lemans was a Daewoo, but a bastardized one. It had a Daewoo body, a Holden engine and a Buick transmission. The interior rattled like you wouldn't believe. It was a reliable car, but chinsy.
From my experience, I'm never buying a Saturn product again.
I bought a 2001 SL 5 speed. It had a bad vibration at medium speeds. The dealer replaced a tire and a rim.....balanced and re-balanced all the tires. The vibration wouldn't go away. I complained over and over until finally the shop manager decided to take a ride with me. The clown was trying to convince me the vibrations were normal and was due to "road geometry"......whatever the he** that means.
Since they had the 30 day money back guarantee, I took it back and was ready to shop for another brand.
In what could possibly be my worst mistake ever......I let me wife convince me to go get another Saturn because her 2001 Accord was "too big"
I must've been on crack when I went back to the dealer and bought another SL auto. Not long after purchase, a tranny seal started leaking. The car drove in a strange manner.....sometimes it felt as if the front wheel were going their own way. It pinged and the auto tranny was a bit erratic. I traded that car about 1.5 years later for a 03 Corolla.....at a huge loss.
Speaking of which.....the Corolla ain't no angel either.....the A/C works when it feels like.
My 02 Z28 had all 8 pistons replaced.......other than that, is a very good car.
I believe some of the worst cars though, are the Ford Tempo/Mercury Topaz.
I bought a 2001 SL 5 speed. It had a bad vibration at medium speeds. The dealer replaced a tire and a rim.....balanced and re-balanced all the tires. The vibration wouldn't go away. I complained over and over until finally the shop manager decided to take a ride with me. The clown was trying to convince me the vibrations were normal and was due to "road geometry"......whatever the he** that means.
Since they had the 30 day money back guarantee, I took it back and was ready to shop for another brand.
In what could possibly be my worst mistake ever......I let me wife convince me to go get another Saturn because her 2001 Accord was "too big"
I must've been on crack when I went back to the dealer and bought another SL auto. Not long after purchase, a tranny seal started leaking. The car drove in a strange manner.....sometimes it felt as if the front wheel were going their own way. It pinged and the auto tranny was a bit erratic. I traded that car about 1.5 years later for a 03 Corolla.....at a huge loss.
Speaking of which.....the Corolla ain't no angel either.....the A/C works when it feels like.
My 02 Z28 had all 8 pistons replaced.......other than that, is a very good car.
I believe some of the worst cars though, are the Ford Tempo/Mercury Topaz.
Is it burning any oil at all?quote:
Originally posted by Last_Z:
Ha ha....the slap seems to be coming back a bit. It was noticeable yesterday. I'm eager to run the 15W-50 M1 to see how it does.quote:
Originally posted by Chris B.:
How is the Z doing these days?quote:
Originally posted by Last_Z:
My 02 Z28 had all 8 pistons replaced.......other than that, is a very good car.
The Kia MI-TEC engines used in the Rio's are a very pure engine and are of the 300k mile types given a little luv here and there
It's an engine currently being used worldwide in other cars to include if not mistaken the Chevy Avio , much like GM's new Ecotec's are used in other builds .
The Kia Rio owners manuals crack me up on engine oil they require , they recommend a 20w-50 thats EC-II if I remember correctly ,straight 40wt can be used and don't allow a 30wt over 85F ect . But I can tell you through anaylisis they can do just fine on a 9.2 cSt oil at ambient temps over 100f ,at least while in younger stages of life and not hotrodded in my own testing .
I believe these are a knock-off of the Mazda Miata 1.6 engine FWIW .
It's an engine currently being used worldwide in other cars to include if not mistaken the Chevy Avio , much like GM's new Ecotec's are used in other builds .
The Kia Rio owners manuals crack me up on engine oil they require , they recommend a 20w-50 thats EC-II if I remember correctly ,straight 40wt can be used and don't allow a 30wt over 85F ect . But I can tell you through anaylisis they can do just fine on a 9.2 cSt oil at ambient temps over 100f ,at least while in younger stages of life and not hotrodded in my own testing .
I believe these are a knock-off of the Mazda Miata 1.6 engine FWIW .
What is Lucas these days , Bosche ?
Does anyone have any info of the reliability of the daewoo E-Tec engine.
Lucas are still in business in Europe, and now own companies such as Magnetti Marelli, an Italian auto electrical giant, and produce things such as brake pads, so they must have a frictions division.
Scary, isn't it.
Must admit, the electrics on my Land Rover haven't been a problem.....yet.
But it is a diesel, with Bosch injection.
Rick.
[ April 03, 2004, 05:59 PM: Message edited by: tdi-rick ]
Scary, isn't it.
Must admit, the electrics on my Land Rover haven't been a problem.....yet.
But it is a diesel, with Bosch injection.
Rick.
[ April 03, 2004, 05:59 PM: Message edited by: tdi-rick ]
As far as I'm aware, Daewoo is now fully owned by GM (as a cosequence of the Asian economic meltdown of a couple of years ago), with their engines coming from Holden in Australia, who also supply GM in Europe with the same family of engines (Opel and Vauxhall).
Rick.
Rick.
Chevrolet Corsica with the 3.1 engine.
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