Congress removes CARB and other state's ability to set emissions standards

Knock themselves out. More gas for the rest of us.


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Just checked the SCE rates, this doesn't include the 8-20 cents generation charge per kWh. So the cheapest rate at night is around 36 cents/kWh in winter.

Our cheapest rate is double the national average.

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In my view we need cleaner air. Every year we add emisions to the air that my children breath, eat and drink. That being said, I agree the standard should be set (nationwide) by the EPA. I have 1 PZEV subaru's They have additional emission components that made sense. Special injectors to lessen the chances of leakage, A carbon filter on the airbox to capture fuel evaperation from the intake tract. and of couse a more efficiant Catylitic Converter. The 15 year 150,000 mile waranty came in handy twice with free O2 and converter replacements under warrany. Yes if it was just a standard emision system across the board it would be best.
What im saying here is that keeping our planet here liveable should be the long term goal. Reducing or eliminating proven and effective polution reducing elements in vehicles is irresponsable. Again Our responsability is for others if not for ourselves on this one. Electric vehicles should not be pushed on anyone and the inferstructure did not and does not fully support this technology. It is almost there, yes.
I envision a world where every home and building has solar collectors adding to the world wide power grid. This is what it will take, along with Nuclear wind etc.
 
Just checked the SCE rates, this doesn't include the 8-20 cents generation charge per kWh. So the cheapest rate at night is around 36 cents/kWh in winter.

Our cheapest rate is double the national average.

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My son recently sold his Tesla. On top of the hassle of finding a charger, and waiting, he said that his cost was more than gasoline cost for his old BRZ. And he was lucky in that there was a charging station near his gym. According to a report on Car & Driver, it costs between $.49 - $.66 per kWh to use the Super Charger.
 
The only thing keeping California afloat is tax revenue from silicon valley. The movie industry is moving out.
Not anymore I got a good job, and a lot has changed in the past 13 years here. With two six figure salaries you still struggle unless you want to live in the midst of gun violence. I'm talking specifically about LA and related suburbs. Cost of living has skyrocketed, especially after COVID. With the gas it's the tax racket, Arizona gets the same gas AFAIK and it's at least a dollar cheaper. We saw this on vacation to Colorado River when you cross the border. CARB plays it's role in choking supply and all the refinery's are shutting down.
My wife is going to stop working because it makes no sense to pay 75% of your salary to child care, and this is paying someone 21$ an hour cash. No doubt actual other child care would be more.This is no place to raise a family, but we both have boomer parents that we don't want to leave. This isn't the state you grew up in anymore.
Totally understand. We have the wife's elderly mother who we have to attend to daily. She lives about 4 miles from us. I have offered to sell my home. Buy a new one that would allow her to live with us. We have wanted to relocate for years but stay because she is stubborn and refuses to leaver her home. It can be tough when they are not wanting to leave where they live no matter what condition they are in.
I get it that your situation may not even be close to that but still you stay for them. Good son!
 
I will repeat what I have posted probably a dozen times before-
I grew up in So. Cal in the 60's. We used to go out to my Grandma's house in the San Gabriel Valley on the weekends/holidays. It was twenty miles as the crow flies to the San Gabriel Mountains. The air was so dirty-it would be rare to see them. The only time they could be seen is when the winds came in and literally blew the smog to Victorville. My throat would hurt badly from playing outside and breathing the air.
CARB changed all that.
Today-there are more vehicles registered in California than any other state-and the air is cleaner than it has ever been.
It's easy for someone to sit in Virginia and say "great".
Well...I lived it.
Not only is this a step backwards for California-but a step backwards for state rights.
I think you are overthinking it. The current EPA standards are not in anyway going to set pollution backwards in CA
Every car is fuel injected, every car has a CAT, every car is maximized to burn fuel efficiently. Dont the concerned. :)
Not only that but the punitive gasoline prices due to taxes in CA will make sure EVs continue to take some market share from gasoline but then again, electric rates are punitive too.
 
You may know that 'was' my world prior to retirement. Gulfstream G600. And yes, the engine exhaust will make your eyes water.

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I love it!

To be clear: I don't have a problem with people flying private. Good for them that they can afford. I know I would if I could. Beats seating with with my knees in my mouth for 10~12 hours on a transatlantic flight. My problem is with people who fly private, then lecture others on climate change (used to be global warming - marketing, what ya gonna do about it?), without even being able to provide a shred of evidence on the subject matter except ... anecdotes. So, for those of you flying private: good for you, I love it!
 
My son recently sold his Tesla. On top of the hassle of finding a charger, and waiting, he said that his cost was more than gasoline cost for his old BRZ. And he was lucky in that there was a charging station near his gym. According to a report on Car & Driver, it costs between $.49 - $.66 per kWh to use the Super Charger.
Did your son have adequate home charging? Charging issues are the #1 reason owners go back to ICE. I know of a few people who do not charge at home; they charge at work for a subsidized rate. Personally, I would not own an EV if I couldn't charge at home.
 
Did your son have adequate home charging? Charging issues are the #1 reason owners go back to ICE. I know of a few people who do not charge at home; they charge at work for a subsidized rate. Personally, I would not own an EV if I couldn't charge at home.
Agree about home charging.

My son was considering buying a home charger, but hadn't gotten around to it.

In the end, the Tesla was replaced by an M2 with MT. My son is just giddy about being able to shift gears again, and engage with a soleful vehicle, instead of an appliance.
 
Oh ok then states rights are a thing of the past? LA county has a greater population than forty of the United States. Maybe that density of population may need a little better than good enough for other areas. Like a top tier thing.
Outlaw everything with your argument. Do people really need air conditioning? What about electricity all day and night? Its crowded so people must give up their rights?
 
Here's another article outlining more specifically what Congress passed:

  • H.J. Res. 87, that will prohibit California's new limits on heavy-duty vehicles
  • H.J. Res. 88, that will stop California's ban on ICE cars by 2035
  • H.J. Res. 89, that will block California's new super strict (impossible to meet?) nitrogen oxide engine emissions on ICE vehicles

https://www.crowelltransportation.c...ornia-waivers-stalling-ev-deployment-efforts/
 
Agree about home charging.

My son was considering buying a home charger, but hadn't gotten around to it.

In the end, the Tesla was replaced by an M2 with MT. My son is just giddy about being able to shift gears again, and engage with a soleful vehicle, instead of an appliance.
All you need is 240V recepticle and the Mobile Cable.
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This is going to be a massive change not only in cars but also things like train (I remember someone said California wants to ban diesel locomotive in and out of CA) and other diesel equipments.
 
I dont see much changing except maybe we can get a real fuel can now.

The California standard is the world standard and manufacturers only want to build one drivetrain for world delivery.

Back off the California standard and you basically lose the rest of the world and have to make multiple cars.
Some cars are not for export to begin with, especially those pickups and SUVs for US market. Also when things already hit economy of scale then multiple models for cost savings still make sense (say you can use less platinum in the cat) even with 2 models.
 
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