Concrete footing?

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I will be doing a concrete footing for a basement support column. I will be using 5,000 psi concrete and 1/2 rebar, the form is 2'x2'x2' deep. It is in a basement so its well below the frost line. Is there any downside to using zip ties to hold the rebar? I have a ton of them, and would rather not go out again for wire. The area is quite small and I see no way of it coming apart while pouring the concrete. TIA
 
When our customers pour their foundations for the machines they buy from us, I've seen the rebar tied with simple twist wire, and I've also seen it zip tied in some instances and these are foundations supporting sometimes in excess of 50,000lbs. Doesn't seem to be an issue. Once the concrete sets around the bars the wire or zip-ties really are useless at that point, it's just a temporary measure to hold it in place so I can't see how it would be a problem.
 
Originally Posted by StevieC
When our customers pour their foundations for the machines they buy from us, I've seen the rebar tied with simple twist wire, and I've also seen it zip tied in some instances and these are foundations supporting sometimes in excess of 50,000lbs. Doesn't seem to be an issue. Once the concrete sets around the bars the wire or zip-ties really are useless at that point, it's just a temporary measure to hold it in place so I can't see how it would be a problem.


I don't see it as a problem either, especially in the 2 foot area I described. Doing a search and seeing all the discussion about it lead me to think it might be a problem, in this application I just don't see how.
 
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Originally Posted by PimTac
I can't think of any reason why this would not work. Is this a single support footing you are pouring?

Yes. Sometimes searching the web for an answer that I already knew causes mass confusion. Thanks!
 
As a side story, I know of someone who also added a column support in their basement. They used a thick cardboard box as a form and poured the concrete right into the box. This was 30 or so years ago. It is still holding up and the support is working as well.

I'm not advocating that but it does show how things can be overthought.
 
Originally Posted by PimTac
As a side story, I know of someone who also added a column support in their basement. They used a thick cardboard box as a form and poured the concrete right into the box. This was 30 or so years ago. It is still holding up and the support is working as well.

I'm not advocating that but it does show how things can be overthought.

I hear ya, and I'm over thinking this one. When I do a job like this it is over thought and over built, lol. I had a friend stop by and have a look, he asked if I planned on stacking the Empire State Building over it.
 
It's because we subscribe to the "Measure twice, cut once" philosophy of being sure about something before trusting it.
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I've often wondered why rebar isn't placed with zipties. I see the road crews laying rebar and twisting wire for road substructure, and do not see an advantage, unless you account for each twist taking a little longer than tying, and the resultant pay checks from the extra time.
 
I've been in plenty of old houses with basements, most of them two stories and the mid floor supports were just solid wood posts on concrete blocks sitting on the floor. In those days the concrete was poured thick. The supports were 6x6 rough. The only consideration was to secure the posts for earthquakes.
 
Whether zip ties or cardboard , as has been said , they become immaterial , once the concrete sets .

I would be much more concerned to insure the formes did not move , while the concrete was being poured & setting .
 
Originally Posted by PimTac
I've been in plenty of old houses with basements, most of them two stories and the mid floor supports were just solid wood posts on concrete blocks sitting on the floor. In those days the concrete was poured thick. The supports were 6x6 rough. The only consideration was to secure the posts for earthquakes.


Yeah old building standards were something in terms of concrete thickness.

In our current house which is 1940's the basement floor is a foot thick. We had to break the floor to to change the drains and add a back flow water drain valve for insurance. They also buried the drains and water lines quite deep. 2ft past the 1ft of concrete. It makes reaching the clean-out for the back water valve almost impossible when I go to check it.

When we moved the drain line in a section of the basement at my friends house (built in the 2,000's) it was about 6 inches of concrete, crushed stone, and then the pipe was right there. Their concrete also for the floor was easy on to go through with the jack hammer whereas mine was very intensive and took hours because it was super hard. I had no crushed stone, just sand and broken pieces of glass, stone and bricks.
 
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In a pinch in a small situation like this, the zip ties are likely fine.

For big jobs with a huge amount of rebar, wire ties are simply faster, cheaper, and more reliable, particularly with the right tools.. Cable ties don't come close when you get people who know what they are doing.
 
Originally Posted by StevieC
Originally Posted by PimTac
I've been in plenty of old houses with basements, most of them two stories and the mid floor supports were just solid wood posts on concrete blocks sitting on the floor. In those days the concrete was poured thick. The supports were 6x6 rough. The only consideration was to secure the posts for earthquakes.


Yeah old building standards were something in terms of concrete thickness.

In our current house which is 1940's the basement floor is a foot thick. We had to break the floor to to change the drains and add a back flow water drain valve for insurance. They also buried the drains and water lines quite deep. 2ft past the 1ft of concrete. It makes reaching the clean-out for the back water valve almost impossible when I go to check it.

When we moved the drain line in a section of the basement at my friends house (built in the 2,000's) it was about 6 inches of concrete, crushed stone, and then the pipe was right there. Their concrete also for the floor was easy on to go through with the jack hammer whereas mine was very intensive and took hours because it was super hard. I had no crushed stone, just sand and broken pieces of glass, stone and bricks.





I hear ya. Some of that old concrete can be a real bugger to break through.

Our family home, built in 1928 has the support posts I described above. It's been through a couple of mag 7 and a few mag 6 earthquakes. The house never suffered any structural damage, just plaster cracks which are expected.
 
I have a feeling this might be a real PITA, under the slab is sand, and a compromised footing with a sleeve in it which the column sat in. My friend is a little more confident that I am, I have visions of the sand creating a real headache. LOL The house is about 90 years old, so apparently it can be done.
 
The sand is fine to work with once the concrete comes up. That was the hardest part.
We dug down quite easily using a spaded shovel to find the drain lines and make our modifications in our house.
 
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Originally Posted by PimTac
As a side story, I know of someone who also added a column support in their basement. They used a thick cardboard box as a form and poured the concrete right into the box. This was 30 or so years ago. It is still holding up and the support is working as well.

I'm not advocating that but it does show how things can be overthought.


I think I've seen round (maybe 12" - 18") diameter thick cardboard tubes sold at Lowes for pouring concrete columns.
 
Originally Posted by sohccammer427
Originally Posted by PimTac
As a side story, I know of someone who also added a column support in their basement. They used a thick cardboard box as a form and poured the concrete right into the box. This was 30 or so years ago. It is still holding up and the support is working as well.

I'm not advocating that but it does show how things can be overthought.


I think I've seen round (maybe 12" - 18") diameter thick cardboard tubes sold at Lowes for pouring concrete columns.




Those are used quite a bit now in construction where a column is needed, especially in commercial type buildings.
 
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