concerns about AI; what scares me

CleanSump said:
In a past life I was a young Marine Sgt who blew things up for a living. I believe the physics of such activity hasn't changed. Pragmatists don't wear tin foil hats.
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you dont think it hasnt thought about the "grunt with C4"?

AGI will be able to think in one night the equivalent of us for 14,000 years. now imagine tens of thousand of genuises thinking for 14,000 years.
Dont you think of them might say "hey what about the grunt with C4? lets push our perimeter out a little bit. and multirow conertina. IR observation cameras linked to our very own AI security and send out local human security teams ( if they still exist) or , well lets see, 2000 Phanotm Mk1s out to patrol our data center perimeter, since we own control manufacturing now (or Mark 5s by then)"
https://interestingengineering.com/military/humanoid-soldier-robots-arrive-in-ukraine
 
OP, the world will constantly change, lately CEOs and national leaders are doing a great job spreading mass panic. You fell for all of it.

Think about what is important, your family and friends.
 
cptbarkey said:
OP, the world will constantly change, lately CEOs and national leaders are doing a great job spreading mass panic. You fell for all of it.

Think about what is important, your family and friends.
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That, plus take some deep breaths, go out for a walk and clear all browsing history from your devices so that you're not constantly bombarded with the same slop day in and day out because that's what the algorithm is feeding you.
 
WeyounDS9 said:
I wish I could share your optmism.

That was my attitude until fairly recently, until I saw the new generation of humanoid robots, who can change their own batteries and run and jump and climb stairs and hold and fire weapons.

They are a legit physical threat now.
And now the first models are going to Ukraine to engage in direct fire combat.

And they are already in discussion for mining.
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I think it would be a very long time before the intricate processes needed to design and build robots as well as develop the raw material chain to fully create their own robots from start to finish that will be able to mimic every fine detail and motor movement of a human being.

And that is just to build a robot like I commented before then take that robot and process build, maintain every single intricate detail of a supply system to keep them fueled aka - energy

The only way around that I can imagine it would be if they took control of the food chain and held a segment of the population hostage to perform those functions as slaves.

I honestly truly believe we will destroy ourselves from within more than AI will ever.

A human being can survive on thousands of different naturally occurring food sources for energy in order to exist.

AI can only survive on one source and that is artificially generated electricity. Without that one source it cannot survive.
 
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Fellas multiple nobel laureates have been trying to ring the alarm bells on this.
Including ALL THREE of those, considered the Fathers of AI.
here is Geoffrey Hinton arguably the most Senior of them:

 
CleanSump said:
In a past life I was a young Marine Sgt who blew things up for a living. I believe the physics of such activity hasn't changed. Pragmatists don't wear tin foil hats. Pragmatists apply knowledge to achieve goals.
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0351?
 
WeyounDS9 said:
Fellas multiple nobel laureates have been trying to ring the alarm bells on this.
Including ALL THREE of those, considered the Fathers of AI.

If you dont belive me, believe them.
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That's called the appeal to authority fallacy.

Use your own brain and stop asking AI to give you the answers. There is plenty of material about how we don't even have the computational power to mimic an average human brain.
These agents cannot think for themselves and will not be able to, unless a major breakthrough in compute power happens, and even then it's a big question mark if it can.
 
KrisZ said:
That's called the appeal to authority fallacy.

Use your own brain and stop asking AI to give you the answers. There is plenty of material about how we don't even have the computational power to mimic an average human brain.
These agents cannot think for themselves and will not be able to, unless a major breakthrough in compute power happens, and even then it's a big question mark if it can.
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So who do you suggest we consult on these issues?
the guy who manufactures my oil, or the most preeminent AI experts on the planet?
Some of which have quite their employment to warn us about this full time.
They all seem to agree on this.
 
KrisZ said:
Can you point me to a lab where we keep AI? Do you seriously believe all this click bait garbage?
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How is this possibly "click bait garbage"???
because you don't agree?

It's summary by the machine learning institute, of a book written by two of the most accomplished AI engineers in the world.
It explains in simple words, what the threat is.

And I am beginning to think simple words is what we need.
 
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WeyounDS9 said:
So who do you suggest we consult on these issues?
the guy who manufactures my oil, or the most preeminent AI experts on the planet?
Some of which have quite their employment to warn us about this full time.
They all seem to agree on this.
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I suggest using your own brain, like I mentioned before.
So these experts all worked to develop AI and know the dangers, but did it anyways? And you choose to believe them? All of the suddent they got a guilty conscience syndrome or something? Or maybe there are other motives?
 
WeyounDS9 said:
How is this possibly "click bait garbage"???
because you dont agree?

It's summary by the machine learnign institute, of a book written by two of the most accomplished AI engineers in the world.
It explains in simple words, what the threat is.

And I am beginning to think simple words is what we need.
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So what that there is a book about it? People put their imagination into books all the time.
How will this AI develop human like thinking?
Once it develops conscience, the video claims it will hide it, but how? We can see its code.
Why can't we develop another AI that will scan the code of the main AI for signs of "self awareness"?

We can have AI interacting with AI, how would it tell the difference between that and real world?
And there are many more aspects of the human condition that we simply cannot "upload" to a computer. It's all post-humanism mambo-jumbo.
 
KrisZ said:
I suggest using your own brain, like I mentioned before.
So these experts all worked to develop AI and know the dangers, but did it anyways? And you choose to believe them? All of the suddent they got a guilty conscience syndrome or something? Or maybe there are other motives?
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The answer to your question are in the , uhm, answers they gave.
I cant do your home work for you.

Using my "own brain"?
Thats is what I am doing based on the best data we cna get.
Like in these references I linked from these scientist and engineers.

Would you defer to an artilleryman abut Artillery?
or as an Infantry man, "just use your own brain"?
 
KrisZ said:
We can see its code.
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Several of the latest models do not think in words but in their own language that humans cannot read or understand.
This actually has already happened.
That is in both links, I offered up.

And he authors of the book are 2 of the 3 foremost AI experts of their day who quit their postions at Open AI etc to warn about AI.
The 3rd guy is Dr Hinton and he says the same thing.
 
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