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I came across the statements from my sophomore year at University of Portland, a private college. I graduated in May 1975. Fall of 1972 total cost for tuition, room and board and bunch of misc charges was $ 1,474. Winter/spring of 1973 was $ 1,405. Total for the year was $ 2,879.

That was very expensive, or so it seemed. I remember people who worked and went to school, paying their way as they went. No one can do that now. It seemed huge that I had $ 4,500 of school loan debt when I graduated. I think I had it paid off by 1978. I have always been severely allergic to debt.
 
Here is your CPI adjustment.

All in at the state schools here now is about $35K. I only paid a fraction of that, both of mine got several scholarships.

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Back then people can go to college by working part time. No way can that support it today. Also gold was $35/oz, now it is what? $4200?

I think I remember back in my UC days the university funding has about 30-40% came from federal and state funding each, and 20-30% of the income was from tuitions. I don't think that's the case today and a lot more is from student loans now.
 
My son is attending a good public school, and it runs about $15K a year. And his annual rent and utilities at a private dorm runs more than that. So I’m out around $35K per year. He could have gone to a high end private school that would make this look like a bargain. It is crazy. I don’t know where the schools spend all the money - they get all kinds of money from sports and wealthy donors on top of tuition.
 
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I came across the statements from my sophomore year at University of Portland, a private college. I graduated in May 1975. Fall of 1972 total cost for tuition, room and board and bunch of misc charges was $ 1,474. Winter/spring of 1973 was $ 1,405. Total for the year was $ 2,879.

That was very expensive, or so it seemed. I remember people who worked and went to school, paying their way as they went. No one can do that now. It seemed huge that I had $ 4,500 of school loan debt when I graduated. I think I had it paid off by 1978. I have always been severely allergic to debt.
It is a very complex issue.
First, about 20 years ago, we deregulated a lot, which allowed various for-profit companies to open "universities" and drive many students away from state schools. Those folks just want a piece of paper (University of Phoenix). At one point, the University of Phoenix had 450,000 students. How does that work? They hire low-cost instructors and have them teach using ready-made syllabi, etc. For example, the graduate program I am in could use 10 more students next semester to have a healthy bottom line. But I can guarantee you, those 10 students are at the University of Phoenix, American Military University, etc. We have to keep accreditation, logistical costs etc. It is so bad that Phoenix was banned from Peterson SFB (Northcomm/NORAD). Most students don't care about accreditation, etc.

2. States pulled a lot of funding during the 2008 financial crisis, never returning funding to the same levels. It is a BIG deal. State universities provide your nurses, city engineers etc. However, we dumbed down that discussion.

3. There is no doubt that federal regulation played a part in it. Various mandates ballooned the administration. My university kept the ratio of administration/faculty well below the federal level. But many universities are struggling with these mandates. Then, investments in state-of-the-art recreational facilities, dorms, etc., really overburden many schools. They thought those investments would help with enrollment. They paid attention to the US News & World Report school rankings instead of delivering education. They are paying the price now.

Things are going to get really, really bad in the future because of online education. State schools push online education because it lowers costs and allows them to reach a wider audience. EVERYONE knows it is a scam. Online education is an attack on the fabric of society. But they don't have any other option, as Phoenix, AMI, Colorado Tech (a Chicago-based school with a "fancy" name) etc. are driving students away. So, students in state schools, your average state school down the road, get better education than at Phoenix, but it is still suboptimal. Students who go to Harvard, MIT, Stanford, UCLA, U. of Colorado at Boulder, go there bcs. they want to be in a cool place, mom and dad have money, and they get an in-person quality education. The gap now between someone going to the University of Colorado, Boulder, and, let's say, Metro State in Denver is suddenly much wider than before. The quality of graduates from average state schools is now lower than pre-COVID levels, while big schools still produce similar quality as before. Basically, those who go to Metro State will get lower-quality education than before, but still rack up debt as schools have to survive. Folks who think it is not a big deal will get less educated nurses, engineers, etc.

So, a lot of variables go into the cost of school. And I really don't know where the inflection point is.
 
Back in the late 1930s, my FIL worked his way through college by washing dishes in the cafeteria and playing clarinet in a dance band. Hard to do today.
 
Want to know where these schools spend their money? Overly paid administrators (deans of everything under the sun), expensive to maintain buildings (think of swimming pools, ice rinks), meals that no one in the real world could afford served three times a day in dining halls, etc. The idea of maintaining a safe, secure , NORMAL , comfortable environment in which TO LEARN, seems to have gone by the board.
 
Want to know where these schools spend their money? Overly paid administrators (deans of everything under the sun), expensive to maintain buildings (think of swimming pools, ice rinks), meals that no one in the real world could afford served three times a day in dining halls, etc. The idea of maintaining a safe, secure , NORMAL , comfortable environment in which TO LEARN, seems to have gone by the board.
Do you actually know how much administrators earn? I have opening for Graduate Retention Specialist. You can apply and become rich. $44,000 a year.
 
In Illinois, if you've worked for one of the public universities (Northern, Eastern, Western, Southern, U of I, IL State, etc ) for at least seven years, your kids can attend as undergrads at any IL 4 year school for 1/2 price.
 
Want to know where these schools spend their money? Overly paid administrators (deans of everything under the sun), expensive to maintain buildings (think of swimming pools, ice rinks), meals that no one in the real world could afford served three times a day in dining halls, etc. The idea of maintaining a safe, secure , NORMAL , comfortable environment in which TO LEARN, seems to have gone by the board.
The biggest pointless spending are the sports programs. Coaches make multiples of what the school presidents make.

Everything else you mention are just minor expenses.
 
In Illimois where I went to college tuition was waived for veteran citizens of Illinois. Didn't cost me a dime until I graduated. Plus the GI bill gave me a monthly stipend. Had to get a small loan to keep going after undergrad. Paid that off quickly.

College today is a scam.
 
The biggest pointless spending are the sports programs. Coaches make multiples of what the school presidents make.

Everything else you mention are just minor expenses.
Right but depending on the school and the sport none of that cost is borne by the student or the taxpayer. Interestingly studies apparently show that enrollment correlates with how competitive certain sports are.
 
The biggest pointless spending are the sports programs. Coaches make multiples of what the school presidents make.

Everything else you mention are just minor expenses.
That one is tricky.
Nick Saban, as everyone knows, had hug sallary. But benefits to the University of Alabama were extraordinarily. The amount of out of state students they got was insane and they are still riding that train.
Problem? State paid attention only to them and Auburn. Their financial situation is good, more than good, and then State neglects rest.
 
The CA Community Colleges are very low cost; since the pandemic they have been tuition free. They are our Superpower. My education was paid for by the companies I worked for; it was part of my compensation.
 
The biggest pointless spending are the sports programs. Coaches make multiples of what the school presidents make.

Everything else you mention are just minor expenses.
I think in TX, the UT coach may be the highest paid state employee. But the team does bring in money that I would hope is much more than that. And think of all the merch and licensing deals.
 
I spoke with one of the Lead Veterinarian Surgeons at our local U.C. Davis, School of Veterinary Medicine. She told me a new Veterinarian that has just graduated will likely enter the workforce with a salary of approximately 70K per year.

In order to enter the Veterinary school you must, of course, have already earned your Bachelors Degree.

Just to put the letters "D.V.M." on your business card will cost you approximately $151,979 (IF you're a California resident), and approximately $200,959 for non-residents. Source: https://ucdavis.app.box.com/s/09jtg23tm3z710chxamx796jkk1f4lol

When I asked her how anyone could start a career with that kind of debt, she sheepishly said, "It has to be a passion and not because you're trying to become rich"...

Ouch!

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The biggest pointless spending are the sports programs. Coaches make multiples of what the school presidents make.

Everything else you mention are just minor expenses.
At many colleges, yes sports programs are a financial drag but those staff aren't earing the big $$, and some schools' programs are tremendous profit centers and help support the institutions beyond also funding the no-money sports; rowing in our Offspring's case...

College costs have become a scam, the education is not but tuition inflation is. Offspring's ~$80K/yr cost is ridiculous in absolute terms, but for certain career paths, still a good investment should the student choose one of those paths and invests the time and effort. They are...and better:)

IIRC, my state school was ~$14K/yr all in, but that was the mid 80's.
 
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