Cold Weather And EV's

billt460 said:
A $700 BILLION dollar loss is anything but a, "market trend". It is over half of its total value. Unfortunately your rose colored glasses have become completely fogged over. Even Musk himself admits it.

And mind you, that article is 6 months old. Things have only gotten much worse since.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/06/23/cars/elon-musk-tesla-losses-bankruptcy-threat/index.html
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It tends with many other car companies like Toyota and Ford who lost @half their value.
 
https://www.macrotrends.net/stocks/charts/TSLA/tesla/net-income
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Yeah...definitely in trouble.
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Here's something to ponder. Car companies that are doing well don't cut prices, in fact when things are good prices are often increased. CEO's aren't always transparent about the reasons for cutting prices, or how the business is really doing. Car sales are dropping off, and the insane used car prices are starting to come down too. I expect others to follow suit. I think with Tesla savvy investors know there are some problems and the stock price reflects it. Regarding Musk and his escapades with Twitter, and his comments, my conversations with several people indicate they won't buy a Tesla as a result, and some people don't care one way or another. IMO it's hurt his sales, how much no one really knows. FTR once again I like Musk and how he tells it like it is, his cars, no thanks.
 
JeffKeryk said:
I have said many times peole ask me about our Model 3. The 1st thing I ask them is, "How ya gonna charge?" Sure, Tesla has a vast Supercharger network, but if you cannot charge at home (and have 240V capability) IMO you have no business owning a Tesla. Supercharger costs are higher and who wants to go somewhere just to charge? That's worse than an ICE vehicle going to a gas station due to dwell time.
Some areas offer other charging opportunites, such as charging while at work for a subsidized rate or even free, but that is pretty specialized.
Bottom line; If I could not charge at home, I would not own an EV. Solar panels sweeten the deal, of course.

I cannot speak to other makes, but Tesla batteries last a long time; it is probably too early to have sufficient data but Tesla batteries should still have 90% capacity after 200K.
Now other EVs, such as the early Nissan Leaf, had horrible rentension.
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I have 100 amp service in my house and working perfectly. Do I need to upgrade my electric in the future for a electric car?
 
nickaluch said:
I have 100 amp service in my house and working perfectly. Do I need to upgrade my electric in the future for an electric car?
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Depends how it’s currently set up. If all you have is say AC using 240v you can probably get away with it. If you have an electric range, water heater, heat, and/or electric dryer probably not without risk of tripping the main breaker.
 
Skippy722 said:
After 250-300 miles I’m spending 30 minutes minimum not sitting in the car. I like driving but some of y’all are gluttons for punishment.
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Different strokes. also different areas of the country I suppose as I try to understand your statement.
I have no idea, but 3 to 4 hours in a vehicle is not punishment if your driving the right vehicle or maybe if you live in an area where the speed limit is less than 70MPH where in reality everyone goes 80+

For me, if I can spend that little amount of time in a vehicle it's a home run compared to going to an airport. Most people in that case would spend just as much time or more flying. Never mind the hassle and having your schedule controlled by an airline. I hate the modern day flying experience. We went backwards in time.
 
Ws6 said:
You might be right! And ill save enough money driving EV to buy one cash, easy, by 2035.
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I didnt know buying an EV was about saving money. I cant imagine how much my 3 ROW SUV with tow package would cost in an EV if one was even or ever sold. But let's say a $20,000 price difference if there was one. How would I save money?
 
supton said:
What can I say, I was not driving in the 70's and I've yet to hear anyone recall that decade fondly. You might be the first to indicate that they had a good one, everyone else talks about ripping off smog junk and how nothing ran right otherwise.

And I have gotten pulled over for an emissions issue. I passed the safety inspection, but had a CEL, so they gave me a fancy inspection sticker which basically says "pull me over and harass me", as I now had 30 (60?) days to pass emissions. No ticket of course, because all was legal, but was stopped all the same. Nuisance.
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You cant compare your experience with other states, that is a state issue that you vote on. For example there are no vehicle inspections in South Carolina, zero and we would never allow it.
 
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JeffKeryk said:
So anyone who disagrees with you, or has a different set of circumstances than you is an idiot? How do you know what is going with them in their lives?

Personally I hate waiting in lines which is why I hit Costco for my gas hogs at 8:00 AM. Got my choice of pumps. This is a perfect reason for having an EV that never waits in line for fuel. And what about those poor people who have to drive somewhere to get fuel? Are they idiots too?
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You live in another world I guess in CA, never a gas line here at any station. Is Costco the only place to buy fuel?
 
dlundblad said:
If one has to have 1 or 2 gas vehicles, what is the point of owning an electric vehicle when the whole idea is to phase internal combustion powered vehicles out?
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They are both vehicles, propulsion is a matter of convienance and choice. Nothing wrong with either one. As far as the ICE that is a baseless political agenda thing, not all EV owners choose because of that I would think. EVs and ICE are going to live together for a long time, each one will have a purpose until the day someone figures out a way to power an EV without having to recharge batteries like in a remote control toy *LOL*
 
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Ws6 said:
Dude. Tesla makes more money per car than anyone else. I do not like Tesla. I do not own Tesla (stock, or car). But to say Tesla isn't absolutely obliterating the competition financially is just to stick your head in the sand. It costs Tesla less than $40K to produce a vehicle. Have you checked their MSRP's lately?
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I never understood why some think it's a great thing that Tesla price gouges the public but they dont feel the same way when the oil industry makes 1/10 the profit on a gallon of gas ... ;)
One thing for sure, if and when the day comes I'll be buying from the EV company that works on razor thin profits.
 
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