You understand every top financial analyst say's this about Musk and Tesla.
Cold Weather And EV's
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Depends on if you have room for a dedicated 50A breaker, and/or what is already in your garage.
Costco was 50 cents per gallon cheaper (or more) during the peak gas prices. Our energy costs are sky high.
I think you missed the context of the poster I was responding you. He asked if I had ever had issue with the law over emissions--I have.
To which I responded that I have been pulled over for an emissions violation (the vehicle inspection sticker gave me away).
[While I have my own beefs with our state inspection, if it came down to it, I'd probably vote to keep it, six days of the week. You, me, most anyone on this board--no issue with keeping our vehicles in safe condition. John Q Public? I hate to be negative about my fellow citizen, but I will point out, despite a very low bar to get a driver's license, it's still technically a privilege to drive on our roads, not a right. The roadway has minimum standards for signage, width, curves, etc--no reason it can't extend to what is allowed on it. But that is a topic worthy of its own dead horse thread!]
1) I don't have a problem with profits.I never understood why some think it's a great thing that Tesla price gouges the public but they dont feel the same way when the oil industry makes 1/10 the profit on a gallon of gas ...
One thing for sure, if and when the day comes I'll be buying from the EV company that works on razor thin profits.
2) I have a problem with funding Big Oil, and they receive $11M in subsidy every minute.
3) I agree with you, and I bought an EV6 GT. The MSRP vs. Invoice price varies by less than 2%, although I do not know Kia's cost to actually manufacture the vehicle.
Since I lived over half my driving life in NYS with some of the most stringent inspections I think my statement has some credibility when I say now that I lived in a non inspection state for the last 16 years I think inspections are long outdated and not needed. I look at it now as "control" over the people.
What does an inspection now accomplish ?
My Acura RDX cost me $500/mo in fuel.
My C40 cost me $75/mo in electrons.
Let's not forget the Acura diff fluid changes every 15K or so, the transmission fluid changes every 50K, the valve re-timing every 105K, the...you get the idea.
$425/mo times 12 = $5100/year. In 5 years, that's $25K. The Acura cost $55K, the C40 cost $62K. I should think the math is pretty simple from this point out...
...and the C40 has 402hp/485#tq, the Acura has 272hp/280#tq. Both are AWD. Both have similar interior space, nod to the Acura. Both are near identical in functionality.
They are separated by an initial delta that is gone by the fuel savings before even a year and a half is up. From there on out, the C40 is in the black.
Now...
...What "like" SUV exists to compare to my EV6 GT? A BMW X4M Competition is as close as I believe you can get for a "ringer" for acceleration at the lowest price point. That vehicle starts at $81K. A cool $20k more than my EV6 GT. Oh, and fueling it...and maintaining it...oh lawd!
2022 BMW X4 M Competition
Vehicle Type: front-engine, all-wheel-drive, 5-passenger, 4-door hatchback
PRICE
Base/As Tested: $81,595/$86,345
C/D TEST RESULTS
60 mph: 3.2 sec
100 mph: 8.0 sec
1/4-Mile: 11.6 sec @ 119 mph
130 mph: 14.5 sec
150 mph: 22.0 sec
Results above omit 1-ft rollout of 0.2 sec.
Rolling Start, 5–60 mph: 4.4 sec
Top Gear, 30–50 mph: 2.5 sec
Top Gear, 50–70 mph: 3.0 sec
Top Speed (mfr's claim): 177 mph
Braking, 70–0 mph: 154 ft
Braking, 100–0 mph: 300 ft
Roadholding, 300-ft Skidpad: 0.96 g
2023 Kia EV6 GT
Vehicle Type: front- and rear-motor, all-wheel-drive, 5-passenger, 4-door wagon
PRICE
Base/As Tested: $62,695/$63,400
C/D TEST RESULTS
60 mph: 3.2 sec
100 mph: 8.0 sec
1/4-Mile: 11.6 sec @ 119 mph
130 mph: 14.8 sec
150 mph: 24.1 sec
Results above omit 1-ft rollout of 0.3 sec.
Rolling Start, 5–60 mph: 3.4 sec
Top Gear, 30–50 mph: 1.7 sec
Top Gear, 50–70 mph: 2.2 sec
Top Speed (mfr's claim): 161 mph
Braking, 70–0 mph: 159 ft
Braking, 100–0 mph: 335 ft
Roadholding, 300-ft Skidpad: 0.92 g
So yeah, I am saving $20K on the start, and then probably $7500/year in fuel alone. Let's not even talk about maintaining the German beast!
Is the interior nicer in the X4M? I bet so. Aside that? Meh.
Not sure if you've watched the "just rolled in" channel on youtube, or SMA's video's, or WES's either. But surely you saw the effects of NY road salt on vehicles while living there, no?
This may be a regional thing. Once outside of the rustbelt, while ball joints, brakes and tires can go bad, you likely don't have the outright safety hazards that would otherwise slowly rot into existence. Maybe people take better care of their vehicles down there? No blown brake lines, no rotted fuel lines, no frames breaking in half.
I'm not sure on this one... but safety inspections might be beneficial to the uninformed car owner. Without a doubt, there have been massive fraud undertaken under the guise of a shop trying to turn a buck. But have a few people been made aware of a serious safety issue? I do believe so. Does one outweigh the other? That debate has raged on, and I'm not sure how to take a side, other than, I don't have a choice but to comply.
Driving in a straight line (any curves are so stretched out you can fly through them at 100mph no problem… allegedly) for hours on end with a relatively unchanging hellscape of concrete and asphalt or crop fields is exactly how I picture my own personal hell. Doesn’t matter what vehicle you’re driving, it’s a straight line and nothing but mental anguish past the first hour.
Driving in the mountains on twisty roads? Sign me up. But I don’t live there so I’m stuck with my hellscape. I’ve never flown so I can’t comment on that. Maybe the first time I do it’ll ruin flying forever for me
So move? Life is way too short to live anywhere other than EXACTLY where you want to.
I don’t hate where I live, the highway system just sucks until you get about 3 hours south. My backroads offer a nice variety with little traffic and don’t add or save any time going to and from work vs the highway and with 4 young kids and 2 being under 2 we’re also not planning any trips any time soon.
While the mountains will give you the driving experience it will be at a much slower speed. So it’s a give and take. Throw in the weather for more fun.
You can leverage exist 110V outlet but charging is slow but may work. There are solutions to work with antiquated 100 amp load panels like this
https://www.motortrend.com/news/electric-vehicle-home-charger-siemens-connectder-level-2-ac/amp/
We all buy what we like, if acceleration and speed is your thing well that’s the cost of performance.
The comparison for you seems to make sense if you don’t mind having to charge the battery.
It wouldn’t work for me at all as I don’t drive expensive vehicles, yet I travel in complete comfort with very nice amenities and power to tow a 5000 lb boat for a fraction of the cost of those vehicles with no battery to recharge.
It makes no difference to me at all that my vehicle takes 6.5 seconds to go from 0 to 60 MPH as it can cruise all day long at 90 MPH and feel like you are doing 50 MPH, that’s important to me, until more SUV style EVs hit the market most currently (not yours) seem to ride like small economy cars on steroids according to reviews at much higher prices than gas equals.
Heck it drives my son nuts that my vehicle has remote start and his BMW x5 doesn’t
So I’m just saying this for not specifically you since the numbers work for you with equal size vehicles but most in here don’t take vehicle size into account and they are comparing 4 door EV sedans with all gasoline models of which very few are 4 door sedans.
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My oldest brother who lives in San Diego is a big musk fan owns two Tesla's and heavy into Tesla stock. He's beyond devastated by Elon's Twitter antics and stock price but still a big fan of the car.
Need, almost certainly not. You can get a 230V 20A setting on most chargers. There are devices, I don't remember where, that monitor your home consumption and reduce charging current when required.
Want, almost certainly. When you go home with a low battery and have a long trip tomorrow, a 40A or 48A charge rate would be nice. But even then, the monitoring and reducing device would PROBABLY let you average 90% of charger capacity. They are a little hard to find as yet.
That your lamps (LEDs?) work. That your brake pads and tires aren't worn thin. I think those are worth it. We on here probably take care of them ourselves, but many don't based on vehicles I see daily.
That your emissions systems are reported healthy by OBDII. That MAY be guvmint overreach.
You forget that in recent past you would have argued the trip was impossible for an EV. Now it is possible, even practical, you have nothing left but to complain about but mandatory rest stops.
You clearly have never timed an interstate gas stop else you would know my data is correct.
The reason you do not know where EV charge stations are located is because they do not have billboards advertising their presence. All EVs have navigation systems which know where the charge stations are located. Tesla's are cellphone linked, instantly updated, even displays in-car status of how many others are already there. A small Tesla Supercharger site has 8 charging bays.
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There were no other choices in BMW, Porsche, Corvette, Mercedes-Benz, etc, as fun as the Tesla. Don't ever drive one until after you have arranged the finances. Is unlike anything else. My sister laughed at me for buying it. Then she drove it. Ordered me not to let her husband drive it. Now they own two and I still have my one.
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The i4 m50 is pretty beast, and way nicer than Tesla.