Cold Weather And EV's

After 250-300 miles I’m spending 30 minutes minimum not sitting in the car. I like driving but some of y’all are gluttons for punishment.

And let’s be real, nobody in this world is cross shopping a midsize Camry and full size Plaid, it’s kind of a ridiculous comparison. If we take something even remotely comparable in both size and performance you end up with about the same highway mileage.
I don’t know, I have no problem at all sitting in my 3 row Chevy SUV for 4 straight hours. It’s not even a thought of being uncomfortable.
I’ve done this trip 7 times this past summer, half of the times was a return trip the same day and driving around my destination while I was there had me in that truck for more than the 8 hours traveling to and from and around another up to two hours while I was there.

It doesn’t take more than ten minutes to fill a gas tank and hit the bathroom while you are there.

Maybe those that think otherwise should leave their small car home and rent a larger SUV
 
You have to be big to lose $700 BILLION...... Size doesn't equate to profit... As Tesla has proven. And the U.S. automakers obviously have.

https://www.thedetroitbureau.com/2022/05/u-s-auto-dealers-enjoying-record-profits-in-2022/
Dude. Tesla makes more money per car than anyone else. I do not like Tesla. I do not own Tesla (stock, or car). But to say Tesla isn't absolutely obliterating the competition financially is just to stick your head in the sand. It costs Tesla less than $40K to produce a vehicle. Have you checked their MSRP's lately?
 
I do wonder if any cold weather Tesla long trip drivers had this problem in the super cold weather a couple weeks ago as described by these people.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/brother-sister-had-stop-6-090000489.html
I know I got home on 17% in my C40 during that week. I got home yesterday with 46%. The cold does indeed slap! but I sized my EV plans to account for this, and if it ever gets truly nutty, there is a very reliable 350kW multi-station charger mid-way between home and work. I tend to plan ****. Life is amazing with that one simple hack...
 
I don’t know, I have no problem at all sitting in my 3 row Chevy SUV for 4 straight hours. It’s not even a thought of being uncomfortable.
I’ve done this trip 7 times this past summer, half of the times was a return trip the same day and driving around my destination while I was there had me in that truck for more than the 8 hours traveling to and from and around another up to two hours while I was there.

It doesn’t take more than ten minutes to fill a gas tank and hit the bathroom while you are there.

Maybe those that think otherwise should leave their small car home and rent a larger SUV
I drove a JGC and it does make long trips easier, but man, after a few hours, I want to walk for a bit. I'm not retired, but I also am not a schedule nazi on road trips. If it's that important: fly.
 
I don’t know, I have no problem at all sitting in my 3 row Chevy SUV for 4 straight hours. It’s not even a thought of being uncomfortable.
I’ve done this trip 7 times this past summer, half of the times was a return trip the same day and driving around my destination while I was there had me in that truck for more than the 8 hours traveling to and from and around another up to two hours while I was there.

It doesn’t take more than ten minutes to fill a gas tank and hit the bathroom while you are there.

Maybe those that think otherwise should leave their small car home and rent a larger SUV
It’s not a comfort thing, I just have to get out and move around. Durango had amazing seats, our van isn’t uncomfortable in a physical sense (god what an awful driving vehicle though, gutless), and my truck seat is perfectly broken in but I still have to get out and meander around for a while for my own mental sanity. Maybe if I wasn’t driving and could nap I’d do better, but my wife doesn’t like driving faster than 60mph and I ain’t getting any younger lol.
 
I know today was warmer at around 35 degrees but I took an 80 mile round trip in the Model 3 with the climate control going, at night, lights on and I was only off pace of advertised range by about 5 miles. Colder days are obviously worse, but it hasn't caused any real issues. We rarely take very long trips. I do have one place I can be called to that is 250 round trip that I likely wouldn't take the Tesla, I rarely am the main driver for it when it comes to work anyway. I really don't want to stop for charging on call. That said I know there's a couple of chargers along the way and a 20 minute stop would more than do it on my return trip.
 
I drove a JGC and it does make long trips easier, but man, after a few hours, I want to walk for a bit. I'm not retired, but I also am not a schedule nazi on road trips. If it's that important: fly.
I get it, as far as flying a four hour trip not worth it to me but different strokes for everyone, I like open road trips for me a 4 hour road trip is far faster than going to the airport to catch a flight and than deplane at your destination.
More do when the purpose of the trip was to look at properties. 🙃
It’s all good! Everyone enjoys different things.
 
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I my wife doesn’t like driving faster than 60mph and I ain’t getting any younger lol.
ahhhh yeah for me this would KILL the excitement of an open road interstate trip!
Oh heck it can be dangerous at times going as slow as 75 mph here.
I try to hold it at 82 if it’s an area where speed traps might be and other times however rare can go over 90. But most always under.
 
Tesla cut prices to offset the coming tax credit incentive. As it turned out, buyers made out because not all the Teslas qualify.
Sales dropped off too from what I read. People aren't happy with his Twitter buy or his comments. He is starting to get some competition too. He's also commenting about a "recession of sorts in China and Europe," either way he cut prices, and competition is growing. Oh and there's people like me that still think the EV has a long way to go before they'll buy one.
 
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Sales dropped off too from what I read. People aren't happy with his Twitter buy or his comments. Oh and he is starting to get some competition too. He's also commenting about a "recession of sorts in China and Europe," either way he cut prices, and competition is growing. Oh and there's people like me that still think the EV has a long way to go before they'll buy one.

I feel like Musk is less of an impact on Tesla sales than we give him credit for. Yeah I don't like the guy either, but there aren't any other viable options if you travel heavy and need a reliable charging network and for those if they are turned away I'm guessing aren't going to go electric at all. I do understand where you're coming from on the current state of electric. I love ours but there's a couple of scenarios for work where it isn't ideal.
 
Sales dropped off too from what I read. People aren't happy with his Twitter buy or his comments. He is starting to get some competition too. He's also commenting about a "recession of sorts in China and Europe," either way he cut prices, and competition is growing. Oh and there's people like me that still think the EV has a long way to go before they'll buy one.
Tesla always makes a push at quater end. The sales number will lilely be 420K which is 50% growth over 2021 Q4.
Expect 1.3M to 1.4M deliveries in 2022 vs 934K last year. The company continues to grow by close to 50% annually.

I wouldn't worry too much about Tesla; they are a well run company and are well poised for the future.
I have no idea why Musk bought Twitter, but yeah the market sure didn't approve.
EVs are not for everyone, especially expensive ones. But just a few years ago Tesla was considered a joke and was expected to go belly up any time. Now this great American car company is leading the world. Personally I am against the coming subsidies, but this plays right into Tesla's hands.
 
I feel like Musk is less of an impact on Tesla sales than we give him credit for. Yeah I don't like the guy either, but there aren't any other viable options if you travel heavy and need a reliable charging network and for those if they are turned away I'm guessing aren't going to go electric at all. I do understand where you're coming from on the current state of electric. I love ours but there's a couple of scenarios for work where it isn't ideal.
Elon is just a lightning rod. Noone is refusing to buy Tesla due to him. He's just a convenient reason given.
 
Elon is just a lightning rod. Noone is refusing to buy Tesla due to him. He's just a convenient reason given.
Elon Musk is Tesla. There is no Tesla without him. The market responded strongly to what it considered his mistakes.
Tesla as a company shows no signs of slowing, especially vs any other car company.
 
I drove a JGC and it does make long trips easier, but man, after a few hours, I want to walk for a bit. I'm not retired, but I also am not a schedule nazi on road trips. If it's that important: fly.
The point is it's much better to have a car that has the ability to wear you out, than having one that gets worn out before you get there.
 
Elon Musk is Tesla. There is no Tesla without him. The market responded strongly to what it considered his mistakes.
Tesla as a company shows no signs of slowing, especially vs any other car company.
Doubtful. This guy isn't God. CEO's come and go like bad weather. The fact is, Musk delivered on a concept, but he is now spreading himself much too thin. Tesla, Space-X, and now the whole Twitter thing.... Which isn't doing much better than Tesla at the moment.

This can and does happen to over rapidly expanding companies, along with their billionaire leaders. They always at some point, end up biting off more than they can chew. The whole, "The Sky Is The Limit!", concept. Everything has a ceiling.

The possible exceptions are Gates and Buffet. Who now basically sit around making speeches, and appear on talk shows, deciding how much of their fortunes they're going to give away. (Assuming they don't lose it in divorces).

Regardless of how thin you want to slice and dice this, Tesla as a company, is presently worth $700 BILLION DOLLARS LESS this year, than it was last year at this time. That cannot continue to happen if there is going to be a future for it.

Nothing detracts potential stockholders faster than losses. And once the ones you have dump and run, it's a sign of serious trouble. Because the only way they'll come back, is when it becomes cheap enough. In the case of Tesla, that can easily become too cheap to survive.
 
Dude. Tesla makes more money per car than anyone else. I do not like Tesla. I do not own Tesla (stock, or car). But to say Tesla isn't absolutely obliterating the competition financially is just to stick your head in the sand. It costs Tesla less than $40K to produce a vehicle. Have you checked their MSRP's lately?
It doesn't matter in the least what they make per car, if no one wants their stock. Investors pay the peons.... Dude.
 
Elon Musk is Tesla. There is no Tesla without him. The market responded strongly to what it considered his mistakes.
Tesla as a company shows no signs of slowing, especially vs any other car company.

Tesla stock is following market trends. Nothing more.

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Kia, however, is strong! Like bull!
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Tesla stock is following market trends. Nothing more.
A $700 BILLION dollar loss is anything but a, "market trend". It is over half of its total value. Unfortunately your rose colored glasses have become completely fogged over. Even Musk himself admits it.

And mind you, that article is 6 months old. Things have only gotten much worse since.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/06/23/cars/elon-musk-tesla-losses-bankruptcy-threat/index.html

Tesla stock value 6 months ago vs. today.

Jun 23, 2022$237.91

Dec 30, 2022$119.95

https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/TSLA/history/
 
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