Cold Weather And EV's

[alarmguy]

From a performance standpoint yes, but you didn’t have to worry (too much) about not finding gas. EV’s have the opposite problem, they offer great performance but whether or not the charging stations are online is a different matter.

Never mind the future miles long waits to charge. vs pull in a gas station, fuel and go.
EVs will never be mandated, not in their current form, they are antiques already. Like someone said, 10 to 20 years to mature, I agree, they will mature into h2 EVs instead of lithium. Problems solved and we will move forward from there, if we dont have h2 EVs they will never be fully adopted in the USA and will be a second vehicle for most people which is also fine if that is what they want.

Im counting on a major over supply of the EVs by 2030 that may make them as cheap or cheaper than ICE vehicles but what do I know?

 

[billt460]

This past friday, I drove 1350 miles, from SWF airport in Newburgh, NY to Scranton, PA to Jupiter, FL in one day, 19 hours with traffic in my 20 year old car. Filled up 3x, at 5 min each. No other stops.

EV's can't do that. Tesla has the Model 3 making 9-10 charge stops, some as long as 45 minutes (that's if you leave with a full battery, which I can't do as there is nowhere for me to charge up there) and 26 hours trip time. Sorry but I can't stay up that long. This turns the trip into 2, 13 hour days and gets me home a full day later.

The one thing that stood out for me in that video, was at most of those charging stations there wasn't anywhere to go. You're there in the middle of the night, trying to recharge your EV, and it's below zero and cold as hell.

What can you do? Sit there for God knows how long. (That's assuming the charger even works), freezing your rear off, because if you run the heat while you're waiting, you are going to be sitting there even longer. The whole thing just seems to be impractical as hell when it plays out in reality.

 

[fsdork]

I find it disappointing - but not surprising - that people so often pick a position and dig their heels in when it comes to EVs and so many other things in life which obviously require analysis of a long list of factors. It's not a yes/no issue.

Leading up to the recent replacement of one of our vehicles ('03 Explorer out, '22 Tiguan in), I was excited at the prospect of an EV. I knew we would keep our 6.2L half-ton pickup for truck things and long-range trips. For the majority of our other driving, an EV would have been a great fit. In the end, it came down to relative cost, availability in a wonky car market, and a fossil fuel powered electrical grid. Also, living in an oil and gas producing region, I don't love the idea of parking a car whose styling screams "I'm an EV" amongst the coal rollers. Fix those things and I'm sold.

In reference to the video, I had to go to 4 different gas stations last week before I could get fuel because of a combination of failing gas pumps and apparent distribution issues resulting from ~ -35°C weather. This is in an area which very predictably sees those conditions in the winter, and does not normally experience resultant failure of basic services. Stuff breaks under extreme conditions, and new tech (EV chargers) will evolve.

 

[demarpaint]

To me the EV discussions are fascinating mostly not for the technical aspects but for the cultural elements. We are entering maybe the most profound tech/societal evolution this country has ever seen. It is still very unclear if the EV changes will be simply the creation of a new niche or a complete revolution in our transportation system and its ancillary infrastuctures. This Venn diagram captures the essence of these changes but I believe it (purposely?) leaves out the environmental aspects and the concomitant and annoying virtue signaling.

I fall somewhere in the blue circle. Does any of this describe you?

I don't see won't buy one until has no other choice.

 

[JeffKeryk]

Before thinking you know how EV ownership is, perhaps talk to an owner or 2. Are they happy with their purchase?

 

[SeaJay]

if a EV is your primary vehicle then its an issue. but everyone i know that has an EV has 1 or 2 gas vehicles .

Presumably this means if you don't want to deal with two vehicles, purchase, maintenance, parking, etc. that you your vehicle should be powered by an ICE.

 

[wpod]

This past friday, I drove 1350 miles, from SWF airport in Newburgh, NY to Scranton, PA to Jupiter, FL in one day, 19 hours with traffic in my 20 year old car. Filled up 3x, at 5 min each. No other stops.

EV's can't do that. Tesla has the Model 3 making 9-10 charge stops, some as long as 45 minutes (that's if you leave with a full battery, which I can't do as there is nowhere for me to charge up there) and 26 hours trip time. Sorry but I can't stay up that long. This turns the trip into 2, 13 hour days and gets me home a full day later.

Can you brag about saving the Earth !

 

[jayjr1105]

 

[supton]

I fall somewhere in the blue circle. Does any of this describe you?

Somewhere in the green one. Upfront cost, TCO and cpm, with CO2 per mile (over the lifespan) being important, but unfortunately not as important to me as the $$$ ones (now if I win the Powerball that I don’t play, different story).

 

[Cujet]

Ultimately, the question is...how often do you do this? I don't really do this that often. If you do, then maybe not an EV.

i do this all the time. Back up after the holiday.

 

[sk_pete]

everyone i know that has an EV has 1 or 2 gas vehicles

People think they helping the planet, but not.

I have 4th lithium battery in 10y old smartphone.. not storing it outside of course.

 

[LouC]

Not only that, but I can tell you that a Makita battery charger (leaf blower) just does NOT work below 45*. You have to charge the batteries in the house when it gets cold out. Or, do as I do and fire up my Echo 2 stroke blower instead.
Hopefully they corrected this for re-chargable snow blowers. I am hanging on to my 25 year old Toro 2 stroke with electric start. Ole Smokey starts instantly at zero degrees.

 

[i6pwr]

EV's are a supplement and IMO should not be viewed as a replacement. Great for city with regards to noise, short trips, etc.

When the EV can run the heat for 2 to 3 days or more when stuck in a road closure in winter in sub 0 temps, and still have range to make it to the destination, as well as being recharged in less than 10 min....then we are starting to scratch the surface.

I can fill up a Sienna in 5 min and go 400+ miles, and haul tons of cargo and people...at the same time.

 

[E365]

If it was 2032, I’d be concerned. Not in 2022.

Realistically most people won’t be buying their first EV until the 2035-2040 range.

Hopefully this new EA hardware just needs something simple. Firmware update, different sensor, etc. Sounds like the new hardware has been awesome, other than this cold issue. Hummer EV and Lucids have been past 350 kw peak charging on these.

 

[BMWTurboDzl]

Today, but what does that look like in 5, 10 years once the mandates on EVs kick in? When less affluent folks need a one car because that's all they can afford.
Will these issues be resolved by then?
I live in a very cold part of Canada, in a geographical area that produces those metals used in EVs.
Trucks, mining equipment need to work long, hard and reliably. EVs can't touch that kind of work. And yes, I've heard of mines going electric. And I also speak with the miners using these vehicles.

There will be no ban. Doesn't matter what they say

 

[350Rocket]

I spoke to an older lady today at the grocery store with a lightning. Her and her husband also own a leaf and charge at home and her son has a Tesla. They just got the lightning recently so can't comment on long term but she thinks it should be an option along with gasoline and they are taking their first long trip tomorrow with it (2 hours). If you want to own one of these be ready to chat with random people (like I have to with my 84 cutlass). She obviously was used to people asking about it, as she seemed ready to chat when I rolled down my window.

 

[demarpaint]

This past friday, I drove 1350 miles, from SWF airport in Newburgh, NY to Scranton, PA to Jupiter, FL in one day, 19 hours with traffic in my 20 year old car. Filled up 3x, at 5 min each. No other stops.

EV's can't do that. Tesla has the Model 3 making 9-10 charge stops, some as long as 45 minutes (that's if you leave with a full battery, which I can't do as there is nowhere for me to charge up there) and 26 hours trip time. Sorry but I can't stay up that long. This turns the trip into 2, 13 hour days and gets me home a full day later.

+1 If you were to do it in the dead of winter during a real cold snap add more time charging and more stops to charge that EV. Yea ICE vehicles take a mpg hit, but not like an EV during a real cold snap.

 

[billt460]

There will be no ban. Doesn't matter what they say

California has set a date when ICE vehicles will no longer be sold. That's as good as a ban.

Try building a new home in California today without incorporating solar. They mandated that as well.

 

[2strokeNorthstar]

California has set a date when ICE vehicles will no longer be sold. That's as good as a ban.

Try building a new home in California today without incorporating solar. They mandated that as well.

The current governor set the ban, the next governor can postpone or overturn the ban depending on who donates the most $$. It's political as usual. Citizens are an afterthought

 

[BMWTurboDzl]

California has set a date when ICE vehicles will no longer be sold. That's as good as a ban.

Try building a new home in California today without incorporating solar. They mandated that as well.

It won't happen. Building codes are a different animal. For one their costs are amortized over 30 years. . For two, the code doesn't apply to all residential construction.