Cobalt XFE (Thread-2)
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Originally Posted By: JTK
I'd like to know more of the specifics to the magical fuel sipping properties to the Cobalt XFE. Low rolling resistance tires? They must be pumped up to 45psig!
I have my tires pumped up to 45 psi right now.
LRR tires can be found across the pricing spectrum.
I'd like to know more of the specifics to the magical fuel sipping properties to the Cobalt XFE. Low rolling resistance tires? They must be pumped up to 45psig!
I have my tires pumped up to 45 psi right now.
LRR tires can be found across the pricing spectrum.
Originally Posted By: badtlc
All 4-dr sedan
Mazda base MSRP $14,645
Honda Civic base MSRP $15,010
Toyota Corolla base MSRP $15,250
Ford Focus $14,395
Cobalt $14,885
I have no idea on incentives for any of these but I know you can get a Focus for under that price.
AL Packer Ford here in the West Palm Beach area is advertising the Focus for under 10,000 dollars. The gas savings would almost pay for the monthly car payment over a large SUV.
All 4-dr sedan
Mazda base MSRP $14,645
Honda Civic base MSRP $15,010
Toyota Corolla base MSRP $15,250
Ford Focus $14,395
Cobalt $14,885
I have no idea on incentives for any of these but I know you can get a Focus for under that price.
AL Packer Ford here in the West Palm Beach area is advertising the Focus for under 10,000 dollars. The gas savings would almost pay for the monthly car payment over a large SUV.
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Originally Posted By: -Clayton-
Wouldn't mind having one. 36 mpg highway isn't too bad
36 highway really isn't all that great, I can get 31 MPG highway in my Corvette with 375hp and the 3.15 performance axle ratio (standard one was 2.73), so a 4 cylinder economy car getting only 5 MPG more isn't that impressive to me.
Wouldn't mind having one. 36 mpg highway isn't too bad
36 highway really isn't all that great, I can get 31 MPG highway in my Corvette with 375hp and the 3.15 performance axle ratio (standard one was 2.73), so a 4 cylinder economy car getting only 5 MPG more isn't that impressive to me.
Originally Posted By: Patman
Originally Posted By: -Clayton-
Wouldn't mind having one. 36 mpg highway isn't too bad
36 highway really isn't all that great, I can get 31 MPG highway in my Corvette with 375hp and the 3.15 performance axle ratio (standard one was 2.73), so a 4 cylinder economy car getting only 5 MPG more isn't that impressive to me.
Talk about spinning. Lets look at what you just said rationally and with some logic trying to compare apples to apples.
First off, your corvette isnt EPA rated 31mpg hwy. It is rated 23mpg by updated EPA standards. Given your change in stock axle, we'll go ahead and bump that down to 21mpg. Now you claim you can get 31mpg. That is 10mpg more, or an increase of more than 47%.
If you drove the same way with the 36mpg XFE, and just adding the 10mpg gives you 46mpg. Thats pretty dang good, yet we should probably increase the XFE mpg by the same % as your corvette to make things equal. A 47% increase to the XFE numbers puts you at over 52mpg. You aren't impressed with that? Well good for you.
Originally Posted By: -Clayton-
Wouldn't mind having one. 36 mpg highway isn't too bad
36 highway really isn't all that great, I can get 31 MPG highway in my Corvette with 375hp and the 3.15 performance axle ratio (standard one was 2.73), so a 4 cylinder economy car getting only 5 MPG more isn't that impressive to me.
Talk about spinning. Lets look at what you just said rationally and with some logic trying to compare apples to apples.
First off, your corvette isnt EPA rated 31mpg hwy. It is rated 23mpg by updated EPA standards. Given your change in stock axle, we'll go ahead and bump that down to 21mpg. Now you claim you can get 31mpg. That is 10mpg more, or an increase of more than 47%.
If you drove the same way with the 36mpg XFE, and just adding the 10mpg gives you 46mpg. Thats pretty dang good, yet we should probably increase the XFE mpg by the same % as your corvette to make things equal. A 47% increase to the XFE numbers puts you at over 52mpg. You aren't impressed with that? Well good for you.
What's really sad is my old 82 Mazda glc would easily get 40+ mpg without even trying, That's with a 1.5 engine 2 barrel carb and 5 speed and a 6 gallon boat gas tank in the trunk because the other one rusted out. What's with these newer POS cars? They should be getting around 80 Mpg by now with all the new technology.
Originally Posted By: -Clayton-
What's really sad is my old 82 Mazda glc would easily get 40+ mpg without even trying, That's with a 1.5 engine 2 barrel carb and 5 speed and a 6 gallon boat gas tank in the trunk because the other one rusted out. What's with these newer POS cars? They should be getting around 80 Mpg by now with all the new technology.
It's almost not worth saying this again it's been rehashed so much! Your 82 mazda didn't weigh 2700 lbs and have good crash safety ratings. You can question the priorities of auto manufacturers all you want (power vs FE etc) but cars are still governed by the laws of physics and thermodynamics.
Anyway if you want to talk about new technology people get 80 mpg all the time in Insights and some hypermilers can approach it in Priuses.
What's really sad is my old 82 Mazda glc would easily get 40+ mpg without even trying, That's with a 1.5 engine 2 barrel carb and 5 speed and a 6 gallon boat gas tank in the trunk because the other one rusted out. What's with these newer POS cars? They should be getting around 80 Mpg by now with all the new technology.
It's almost not worth saying this again it's been rehashed so much! Your 82 mazda didn't weigh 2700 lbs and have good crash safety ratings. You can question the priorities of auto manufacturers all you want (power vs FE etc) but cars are still governed by the laws of physics and thermodynamics.
Anyway if you want to talk about new technology people get 80 mpg all the time in Insights and some hypermilers can approach it in Priuses.
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Hey, I wasn't arguing for the insight's safety necessarily. I don't think you're any more likely to get squashed in an Insight than most of the 80s econo-hatches though.
Interesting. I could believe that in the insight especially given that it's so light.
I'm thinking now it MAY have been the prius! Quick google and yep:
http://www.newtoyotaparts.com/product/?id=1741
http://www.newtoyotaparts.com/product/?id=1741
Huh. I've never noticed excessive body flex when I've driven a prius around on the highway, but I don't have that many miles in one. Maybe ekpolk will have some comments on that.
Somethings weird with the new MPG ratings or Toyota had figured a way to manipulate the old test. The Corolla used to be 41mpg hwy is now 35mpg and the Cobalt used to be 34 mpg is now 36mpg.
I guess I could have bought a Cobalt instead of my Corolla and saved money. That was a lot of the reason I went with it.
I guess I could have bought a Cobalt instead of my Corolla and saved money. That was a lot of the reason I went with it.
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The Cobalt XFE is rated 36 highway, but the MT version of the non XFE Cobalt is rated 33. The XFE has mechanical/ECU changes to up the fuel economy so it's not quite the same as comparing the previous gen Corolla before and after the 2007 EPA testing changes.
I get 38-40 mpg in a late model Corolla automatic driving 65 mph every tank.
Here is what one site has to say on it.
The fact that it has more torque with better mileage is big deal to me.
They may have the final gear real high but when you are in the first four gears it would out perform the others hands down
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Suddenly Cobalt Beats its Competition
By Igor Holas | 04.11.2008 | http://www.autosavant.net
Among all the excitement over Chevrolet’s new 260 horsepower Cobalt SS, GM made a much quieter, but much more significant change to the Cobalt lineup.
Starting immediately, GM claims the Cobalt with manual transmission to be among the “most fuel-efficient compacts on the market” with 36 miles per gallon highway. This is mostly true, as this new number beats out the Corolla (34mpg for the now current 2009 model) Civic (34 mpg) and Focus (35 mpg) who have been leading until now. However, the Civic with automatic transmission achieves the same highway mileage and better city mileage, and the Civic hybrid (of course) beats out all of them. Nonetheless, the mileage improvement is a meaningful and important improvement to the otherwise well-rounded Cobalt. Using a standard engine that is significantly larger than its competition, the Cobalt has been saddled with a somewhat mediocre 33 mpg until now. Moreover, the new mileage rating was still achieved on the 2.2l EcoTec, which also boasts the best-in-class horsepower (148) and torque (152), leaving the 1.8l and 2.0l engines from the aforementioned competition in the dust. To exemplify the magnitude of GM’s achievement, the very-much acclaimed Mazda3 with a similarly-powerful 2.3l engine achieves miserable 29 miles per gallon on the highway – a full seven mpg difference.
The fact that it has more torque with better mileage is big deal to me.
They may have the final gear real high but when you are in the first four gears it would out perform the others hands down
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Suddenly Cobalt Beats its Competition
By Igor Holas | 04.11.2008 | http://www.autosavant.net
Among all the excitement over Chevrolet’s new 260 horsepower Cobalt SS, GM made a much quieter, but much more significant change to the Cobalt lineup.
Starting immediately, GM claims the Cobalt with manual transmission to be among the “most fuel-efficient compacts on the market” with 36 miles per gallon highway. This is mostly true, as this new number beats out the Corolla (34mpg for the now current 2009 model) Civic (34 mpg) and Focus (35 mpg) who have been leading until now. However, the Civic with automatic transmission achieves the same highway mileage and better city mileage, and the Civic hybrid (of course) beats out all of them. Nonetheless, the mileage improvement is a meaningful and important improvement to the otherwise well-rounded Cobalt. Using a standard engine that is significantly larger than its competition, the Cobalt has been saddled with a somewhat mediocre 33 mpg until now. Moreover, the new mileage rating was still achieved on the 2.2l EcoTec, which also boasts the best-in-class horsepower (148) and torque (152), leaving the 1.8l and 2.0l engines from the aforementioned competition in the dust. To exemplify the magnitude of GM’s achievement, the very-much acclaimed Mazda3 with a similarly-powerful 2.3l engine achieves miserable 29 miles per gallon on the highway – a full seven mpg difference.
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