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So, a recent thread in the additives section sparked me into writing this. I am not bashing anyone or thing particularly, but just as a general statement.

I have a car. It’s dirty. Since a clean engine is a happy engine, I need to clean it up. I spend about $75 on extra oil changes and the product you all know and love or hate. My engine is cleaner, but my undercarriage and parking place isn’t. I now have to spend $200 to replace some seals, as well as the extra money for the oil that has leaked out of the seals. My mpg went from 32.1 to 32.8 with a .5 margin of error.

What have I gained, aside from a $300 hit in my paycheck?

I have a car. The pistons look dirty. I do a Molasoke, or pour in some Seafoam. The stuff cleans up something, and I start to leak at the rings or the valve seals. My car is now burning oil, and the pistons that got cleaned are now getting dirtier because of the oil that is now being introduced into my combustion chamber, as well as the air I breathe. My cat is now getting ruined, I am burning oil, and I am polluting more than I was before by trying to make my car run better.

I understand that my seals weren’t really clean, and my valve seals had already gone out, but it’s the same thing as changing the ATF fluid of a 200,000 mile car. Just because it’s dead, doesn’t mean it isn’t doing it’s job.
Does clean necessarily mean better. If I am not getting any benefit (mpg, decreased engine temps, pollution test, can’t really say increased OCI unless more is spent on a UOA), then what good, aside from the warm fuzzies I may get if nothing goes wrong, is there?
 
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I now have to spend $200 to replace some seals, as well as the extra money for the oil that has leaked out of the seals.




Have you finished "the process"? If so, how many miles have you put on the car since then, and were they on dino?

The reason why I ask is because I've seen it mentioned several times that it might take two or three dino OCIs after completing "the process" to completely stop leaks. Maybe your car is one of the ones whose seals require another two or three dino OCIs.
 
Mine is part 2. I did a molasoke and now replace 1/3 of my sump every 1000 miles. Someone is having the same problem, but did the seafoam thing. I am on the rinse of ARX, as you can see in my sig. Nothing extraordinary, which is what I wasn’t hoping for. All I get is more of the same problems I was trying to correct by using it.
 
In my experience with my 10 year old Cherokee, I don't think it was dirty in the first place.
I did a double treatment 2 years ago, and am in the rinse part of the plan for leaking seals. The rear main weeps, not really a big leak at all, but last time I looked, it wasn't any different. We'll se how it looks after the complete treatment.
 
the only benefit is that someone else made $300.

if youre not happy with whatever product you bought the manf usually has a money back guarantee. i suggest you email them and get youre money back.
 
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