Class action lawsuit against BMW i3

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On May 17, MLG Automotive Law filed a national class action lawsuit against BMW North America, LLC alleging that the i3’s “Range Extender” feature is defective.

“These cars are flat out dangerous,” said Jonathan Michaels, founding member of MLG Automotive Law. “It is only a matter of time before someone is going to get seriously hurt or killed because of this.

“We need to do all we can to prevent that from happening,” he said. “Class actions are not quick, but we intend to vigorously litigate this for the quickest resolution possible.”


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The case, “Edo Tsoar v. BMW North America, LLC” takes issue with the performance of the BMW i3’s Range Extender, or “REx,” feature. REx outfits the i3 with a two-cylinder gasoline engine capable of producing 34 horsepower, which turns on when the battery charge is down to its final 5 percent.

However, according to the lawsuit, a drastic decrease in the vehicle’s performance accompanies the gasoline engine. It alleges that a car full with passengers or moving up a hill experiences difficulties with the low charge in REx mode, even dropping speeds down to 45 mph on the freeway without warning.


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“The BMW i3 Range Extender feature is a dangerous instrumentality to the owners of the vehicles and to other motorists on the road,” Mr. Michael said. “Having a sudden and unexpected loss of power in a motor vehicle can result in a catastrophic situation for all those on the road. These cars are dangerous and should not be driven.”

In addition to compensating the owners, who were allegedly misled and endangered, the lawsuit aims to have i3 vehicles redesigned and repaired at BMWs expense and to halt i3 sales until the matter is resolved.


https://www.luxurydaily.com/lawsuit-alleges-safety-and-performance-issues-in-bmw-i3-models/

The gasoline engine is making only 34 HP, it may not be able to charge the battery if the car is moving at speed of 70-80 MPH.

With electric motor at 170 HP, it needs a lot more juice than the 34 HP gasoline engine can provide(via battery).

It is possible that when battery is emptied the 34 HP gasoline can only provide so much power to the battery, therefore the speed is reduced to much slower than the flow of traffic on most Interstate Highways.

Did any one test how much power an EV uses at different speeds on highway ? something like 50 MPH, 60 MPH, 70 MPH and 80 MPH ? I bet that an EV consumes much more power at 80 MPH than 40-50 MPH, just like ICE vehicle (may be more).
 
Well, wind load goes up as a square of velocity. Add in hill climb and yes, I could easily see 34hp not being nearly enough to climb a hill at full tilt.
 
The real problem is that BMW has to hamstring the charging capabilities of the i3 REx in order for the car to qualify as a ZEV for CAFE purposes. As delivered to the USA, the range extender is programmed to only operate when the battery range drops to below 6%. Then it comes on automatically and extends the range another 50 miles or so running on gas, which turns a generator and feeds the electric motor. Also, the gas tank in the USA is programmed to shut off after 1.7 gallons is used, leaving about 1/2+ gallon unused in the 2.4 gallon tank. However, if one is sufficiently brave those parameters can be modified.

One of my friends re-coded his i3 REx and he is now able to to take four people on a 122 mile round trip before needing to recharge and/or refuel.
 
I agree that being used to having a certain amount of power available when the batteries are above the 5% mark and then having it drastically reduced could create a dangerous situation. If that was not specifically explained when purchasing the vehicle, I would also be ticked off and most likely returned the vehicle and demand my money back.
 
In other news, cars are dangerous when they run out of gas.

I mean seriously, do we sue automakers because the cars slow down when they run out of gas?

No!

But we sue when their batteries go flat and don't perform like they did when the battery was fully charged.

Good grief!
 
Originally Posted By: javacontour
In other news, cars are dangerous when they run out of gas.

I mean seriously, do we sue automakers because the cars slow down when they run out of gas?

No!

But we sue when their batteries go flat and don't perform like they did when the battery was fully charged.

Good grief!

Thank you for bringing some common sense into this thread good Sir.
 
Originally Posted By: chrisri
Originally Posted By: javacontour
In other news, cars are dangerous when they run out of gas.

I mean seriously, do we sue automakers because the cars slow down when they run out of gas?

No!

But we sue when their batteries go flat and don't perform like they did when the battery was fully charged.

Good grief!

Thank you for bringing some common sense into this thread good Sir.

There are certain things expected from users such as an ICE vehicle need gasoline or diesel to operate. If an operator of an ICE vehicle run out of fuel then the problem is squarely on that person.

BMW i3 with range extender is a plug in hybrid(more or less), it has enough electric power to get up to highway speed limit in most states, I think the maximum speed is about 85-90 MPH. The problem is when the battery is down to below 5-6% the gasoline engine is on to charge the battery, with less than 40 HP isn't enough to keep the electric motor running at normal highway speed, especially when it needs to climb a hill with head wind.

Clearly BMW designed/engineered this i3 as a compliance vehicle to satisfy emission regulations of some states such as California, and to enable buyers getting the tax credit from Federal and some states.

The way it is, this BMW i3 is strictly urban vehicle and only capable of highway travel for less than 70-80 miles.

Did BMW warn their customers about slow speed when battery depletes to less than 5-6% and gasoline engine is running ?
 
I see warnings on page 69 of the i3 owners manual that state:

Originally Posted By: 2015 i3 Owners Manual


Heavily discharged high-voltage
battery
If the high-voltage battery is heavily dis‐
charged during the trip, the performance and
some comfort features are reduced step-bystep
to extend the range.




So there is at least one warning about reduced performance due to a heavily discharged high voltage battery.

Originally Posted By: HTSS_TR
Originally Posted By: chrisri
Originally Posted By: javacontour
In other news, cars are dangerous when they run out of gas.

I mean seriously, do we sue automakers because the cars slow down when they run out of gas?

No!

But we sue when their batteries go flat and don't perform like they did when the battery was fully charged.

Good grief!

Thank you for bringing some common sense into this thread good Sir.

There are certain things expected from users such as an ICE vehicle need gasoline or diesel to operate. If an operator of an ICE vehicle run out of fuel then the problem is squarely on that person.

BMW i3 with range extender is a plug in hybrid(more or less), it has enough electric power to get up to highway speed limit in most states, I think the maximum speed is about 85-90 MPH. The problem is when the battery is down to below 5-6% the gasoline engine is on to charge the battery, with less than 40 HP isn't enough to keep the electric motor running at normal highway speed, especially when it needs to climb a hill with head wind.

Clearly BMW designed/engineered this i3 as a compliance vehicle to satisfy emission regulations of some states such as California, and to enable buyers getting the tax credit from Federal and some states.

The way it is, this BMW i3 is strictly urban vehicle and only capable of highway travel for less than 70-80 miles.

Did BMW warn their customers about slow speed when battery depletes to less than 5-6% and gasoline engine is running ?
 
Originally Posted By: HerrStig
Ah, the "wisdom" of buying a 34 HP BMW. Makes a great golfcart I suspect.


It's embarrassing enough to be seen in that dork mobile. To be sputtering around as a hazard on highway just tops it.
 
Stupid lawsuit by stupid owners. Learn about the car before you buy it. It's an electric car with a small gas engine to help when you are almost out of juice. This isn't a Volt. Maybe they should just get rid of the gas engine? If you are at 5% in an electric car you are about to be atranded. This gives you an opportunity to get to a charger in the emergency or if in town it's not a big deal. So the question is did BMW try to sell this as a true plug in hybrid with full capability in either mode?

What's next? Are they going to sue when they find out their range is much less in the cold weather?
 
As usual, I get both sides.

If they called it "limp home", it would be more descriptive, but less attractive...and the fuel/hp limitations are exactly that.

"range extender" implies something different.
 
I hear this vehicle is popular with the Shriners.

No need to research the vehicle; all engineering decisions are based on the premise that it will be cruising on the autobahn all day. j/k.
 
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Originally Posted By: Shannow
As usual, I get both sides.

If they called it "limp home", it would be more descriptive, but less attractive...and the fuel/hp limitations are exactly that.

"range extender" implies something different.

I agree.

BMW promoted this as an "range extender" not the "limp home". Warning in the owner manual isn't very clear. What does "performance is reduced step-by-step to extend the range" mean ? Performance of 0-60 MPH ? or quarter mile ? or top speed ? or something else ?

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If the high-voltage battery is heavily discharged during the trip, the performance and some comfort features are reduced step-by-step to extend the range.


To me, BMW didn't adequately convey to owners the limitation of range extender. May be they intended this i3 as city vehicle and never tested it on highway,, especially they didn't test when battery went down to less than 5% and 34 HP gasoline engine was on.
 
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Originally Posted By: wemay
Highways? Hills?

Wasn't this meant to be a "city" car?


Cities have highways and hills. Such as Pittsburgh, Philadelphia, and many many others.

Maybe BMW should market the i3 as a city bicycle.
 
Originally Posted By: javacontour
In other news, cars are dangerous when they run out of gas.

I mean seriously, do we sue automakers because the cars slow down when they run out of gas?

No!

But we sue when their batteries go flat and don't perform like they did when the battery was fully charged.

Good grief!


But.....But.....But.....It is a BMW, so should not require any thought process to operate safely!
 
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