Citgo Ultra Life 10w-30 High Mileage oil - Kia Rio

Motorbike · May 24, 2004

This was one very hard and fast 1023 mile run in my new 2004 Kia Rio w/ 5spd transmission to and through the Ozark mountains. I post to show the studly additive pack of the low cost SL GF-3 HM oil that's been available for just a few months now and can be used in new engines also per Citgo.
I bought this oil on sale for $ 1.39 per quart and will buy some more TODAY

These guys also have a new primarily group III synthetic out and the 10w-30 has a flash point of pretty near 500F going off memory and I cannot wait to see it's additive pack .

Here's the HM oil's typical data sheet .
Citgo Ultralife

Copper 2
Lead 2
Aluminum 3
Iron 5

Sodium 4
Boron 178
Silicon 9
Moly 84
Magnesium 275
Calcium 1773
Barium 5
Phos 1258
Zinc 1371
Vi 10.6
TBN 6.4
Solids 0.....this engine must be really tight

This oil was put in with 2600 total miles on the car .
Previous two analysis's

[ May 25, 2004, 11:54 AM: Message edited by: Motorbike ]

Patman · May 25, 2004

With so much ZDDP, how can it be API SL?

Is it lab error, or does this oil truly have that much in it?

Motorbike · May 25, 2004

quote:

Originally posted by Patman:
With so much ZDDP, how can it be API SL?

Is it lab error, or does this oil truly have that much in it?

It is not an API oil . Not a donut anywhere on the bottle so they can do what they want .

You'll note on the website they only speak about the 10w-30 and ISLAC GF-3 and exceeding it .

I quickly browsed other HM oil UOA's here and it is very apparent that Castrol has chose to drop the phos/zinc levels a signifigant amount compared to this formula of 10w-30 Castrol HM used oil analysis .

Castrol HM 10w-30

The lone Pennzoil HM analysis here shows it at API SL 30wt level for zinc/phos

These HM oils to include the Mobil Pao Blend are the ticket for many car owners ......they just don't know it yet

Motorbike · May 25, 2004

While on topic here is the reformulated Motorcraft 30wt which is an API oil .

Moly 42
Magnesium 18
Calcium 2077
Phos 921
Zinc 1285
Vi 11.11
TBN 6.50

Come API SM they can drop the phos down by 121 PPM and still maintain a nice 1164ppm of zinc if they choose to do so and this oil would still have around 400 more ppm of zinc than current Pennzoil/Havoline ect

The phos is only capped on 30wt and lower vi oils .
What we generally see is that the makers just use the same additive packs for their 10w-40 20w-50's ect so for those using heavier than 30wt dino's these HM oils really make sense in that usually they are more bustly in the robo part of the equation

SSDude · May 25, 2004

This oil is a real sleeper.

Schmoe · May 25, 2004

Screw the API donut with ZDP that great. Nothing but WOW

Did you dump it or you still using this oil? Is this the car your giving to your daughter???
Nice DAD!!!!

Patman · May 25, 2004

quote:

Originally posted by Motorbike:

quote:

Originally posted by Patman:
With so much ZDDP, how can it be API SL?

Is it lab error, or does this oil truly have that much in it?

Click to expand...

It is not an API oil . Not a donut anywhere on the bottle so they can do what they want .

Awesome!

I didn't notice that it was the high mileage oil, that definitely helps explain it better. It's too bad other high mileage oils don't contain this much ZDDP in them, such as the Castrol GTX HM or Maxlife. Maxlife in particular is very weak in ZDDP.

Cutehumor · May 25, 2004

where did you buy this oil from? I've never seen it

G-MAN · May 25, 2004

It sheared from 12.2 to 10.6 in 1000 miles. What's up with that?

csandste · May 25, 2004

Good ad. pack. Those Venezuelans must know something.

MikeR · May 25, 2004

Wow, these Citgo oils continue to impress. Keep us updated on the trends in the Kia.

BTW Motorbike, looks like you'd be a great person to buy a used car from.

MR

Quattro Pete · May 25, 2004

Not to rain on your parade, but afterall, it was just 1000 miles, even if it was spirited driving, so what? The real question is: what would this UOA look like at 5K miles?

At this point, I don't see anything to go wild about. What am I missing?

Motorbike · May 25, 2004

quote:

Originally posted by Quattro Pete:

I don't see anything to go wild about. What am I missing?

You are missing words in my original post and why I even went to the effort to type the numbers in......additive pack numbers .

Motorbike · May 25, 2004

quote:

Originally posted by G-Man II:
It sheared from 12.2 to 10.6 in 1000 miles. What's up with that?

You are presuming it started out at 12.2 ....what's up with that ?

I should have just posted the VOA I have of this oil huh ...

????

Besides if you keep your eyes open you will see how a three quart engine can torture an oil in the future after it's broken in " if I decide to post another analysis " . Too bad but only a few here got the very nature/reason of this post and the linked post to show an additive pack and of this engine breaking in and seeing two oils sacrifice themselves to protect a young engine breaking in when I know for fact I think could have shown two other oils that for the most part are developed with self-preservation in mind........ and protection of the motor falls where it falls depending on how good the design/machining is .

[ May 26, 2004, 05:46 AM: Message edited by: Motorbike ]

G-MAN · May 25, 2004

quote:

Originally posted by Motorbike:

quote:

Originally posted by G-Man II:
It sheared from 12.2 to 10.6 in 1000 miles. What's up with that?

Click to expand...

You are presuming it started out at 12.2 ....what's up with that ?

I should have just posted the VOA I have of this oil huh ...

????

I'm not presuming anything--other than the accuracy of Citgo's published spec sheet which you linked. It says the vis is 12.2.

Bror Jace · May 25, 2004

The add pack of these oils is very impressive. For the ones confirmed to have at least a 10% ester in place of mineral oil, they are a pretty good deal at $2.00 - $2.50 per quart.

I've been recommending these oils for years ... especially the Pennzoil High Mileage Vehicle. I would like to see a UOA/VOA on the Chevron and Havoline High Mileage oils also.

Actually, I would expect wear metals to show higher in a brand new vehicle with a short duration. The combination of break-in debris and the fresh detergents/dispersants should have produced higher wear indicators.

--- Bror Jace

Motorbike · May 25, 2004

quote:

Originally posted by Bror Jace:

Actually, I would expect wear metals to show higher in a brand new vehicle with a short duration. The combination of break-in debris and the fresh detergents/dispersants should have produced higher wear indicators.

--- Bror Jace

I believe wear metals are abrasive just like Si and that I nipped those in the bud by changing the oil at 30miles then a short change after .

The Synergyn was brutally punished but served well seeing some very high oils temps " yes I have an afixed oil temp monitor on the motor " but the Citgo saw even higher oil temps because of the large and long uphill pulls and the fact cruise RPM @ 80mph is around 4k with only 3 quarts of oil for additional cooling .

The motor is now settling in it seems with around 1300 miles on the Motul I'm seeing much lower oil temps with higher ambient than before even with a thicker oil.

900 of the miles on the Motul was put on to and from the Ozarks this last weekend . Just a different end of that great State of Arkansas .
Next up is LA then through Death Valley to Pahrump Nevada and back to Central Oklahoma starting the first week of July towing my bike . I'll see what that Motul 10w-40 is made of

then back to Synergyn .

Bror ,
I too would like a look at the new Havoline HM Blend .I have heard it advertised on the radio but none at the store yet . I hope it's good stuff and they put it in 5 quart jugs

lobo11 · May 25, 2004

I too was impressed with the numbers posted on Citgo's site, and thanks to Motorbikes posting of a VOA a month or so ago--I think numbers he got from a Citgo distributer, I am running it in my 2000 Dakota. I plan on going two oil changes, and sampling the 2nd for a UOA. I bought a case at Meijer and it ended up being like $1.79/quart, most other HM oils I could fingd were 25-50 cents more/quart.

Bror Jace · May 26, 2004

"I have heard it advertised on the radio but none at the store yet."

I found Havoline high-mileage at a local Pep Boys a few days ago. It was in a blue-green bottle.

--- Bror Jace

Citgo Ultra Life 10w-30 High Mileage oil - Kia Rio

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