I have a 2009 Dodge Ram 5.7 L Hemi. I wanted to get some opinions on the factory (chrysler) oil filters, Are these good filters compared to pure one Napa Gold and some of the other companies out there? The reason why I ask is that the last oil change I switched to Mobil 1 and Napa gold filters and have a bit louder valve train noise. On the oil forum some members told me it can be contributed from the oil filter. Thanks, Sal
Chrysler oil filters
- Thread starter renos09ram
- Start date
- Status
According to a recent oil filter disection, the Mopar filters are actually the standard grade filter from Purolator. So a Purolator Pure One should be a better filter. Napa Golds are a very good filter. I'm not sure how a filter could contribute to valve train noise unless it reduced oil flow - which should not be the case under normal RPM's and normal conditions. I know a few people have reported more engine noise in that truck with certain oils - although I have always run M1 in my 05 Hemi with no change in engine noise. (yes, I begrudgingly run 5W-20) try another "thicker" 5W-20 oil and see if the noise disappears.
I am new to the oil filter community and need some basic 101, but can the spring or the silicone valve make a difference in pressure from one filter to the next? I also experienced lifter noise on start up only. My truck has only 2000 miles.
Last edited:
The spring is for bypassing the filter in the event the filter is totally clogged and should not come into play. The silicone Anti-Drain Back Valve could possibly be leaking, which would allow the lifters to leak down and cause some noise on startup. Out of the hundreds of filters I have used I only recall having a problem with one: Standard purolators on a 1989 Jeep Comanche with the 4.0L the oil filter in that truck was mounted upside down which encouraged drainback. I had repeat issues with Purolators (sorry) and not with other brands. I dont currently use Purolator std filters on anything that I care about (not because of the past problem, simply because I dont mind spending a couple dollars more for the better filter) --- but I really like the Purolator Pure Ones.
Unfortunately my Dodge Hemi is in storage so I cant go check and see if I have any valvetrain noise on startup. I dont recall any, but hey.
I looked online and from what I can see the Mobil 1 Extended oil filter is the best out there. The pure one is supposed to be better but they had concerns that there was to much filter media and that it can slow down the flow of oil.
Too much media? Most of us here see the more the better. Any fool with a hacksaw and a tape measure can tell how much media a filter has. How good the media is is another question.
Quote:
Originally Posted By: renos09ram
I have a 2009 Dodge Ram 5.7 L Hemi. I wanted to get some opinions on the factory (chrysler) oil filters, Are these good filters compared to pure one Napa Gold and some of the other companies out there? The reason why I ask is that the last oil change I switched to Mobil 1 and Napa gold filters and have a bit louder valve train noise. On the oil forum some members told me it can be contributed from the oil filter. Thanks, Sal
I would blame the Mobil 1 before I blammed the filter as Mobil 1( 5w30 anyway )has been known to increase engine noise in the 5.7L. As I said in your post on the oil forum I have never heard of the 5.7L being filter sensitive like some engines are. The Wix/Napa Gold filter is extremely popular with the HEMI crowd. If there was an issue with it causing engine noise I would think I would have heard of it by now.
I can honestly say you are the first person I have seen say they have heard of filters causing noise in the 5.7L UNLESS the filter itself had a failure like a bad ADBV. Certainly you can try a different filter but if you do that use the same oil so you know which it was. If you swap filters and then also swap oil brands you won't know which was behind the noise.
The MOPAR oil filter is decent quality. Nothing special but it is a decent filter good for 5-6K. Mobil 1 filters are very good filters and capable of extended OCI's. I would not call them the best out there however. A K&N is on par with the Mobil 1 flters. Actually, the new Royal Purple oil filters are actually better, I would say, than the Mobil 1 filters. If you are going to stay within the 6K max OCI allowed for your truck( as I seem to recall you are ) the MOPAR filter would do the job for you.
Originally Posted By: renos09ram
I have a 2009 Dodge Ram 5.7 L Hemi. I wanted to get some opinions on the factory (chrysler) oil filters, Are these good filters compared to pure one Napa Gold and some of the other companies out there? The reason why I ask is that the last oil change I switched to Mobil 1 and Napa gold filters and have a bit louder valve train noise. On the oil forum some members told me it can be contributed from the oil filter. Thanks, Sal
I would blame the Mobil 1 before I blammed the filter as Mobil 1( 5w30 anyway )has been known to increase engine noise in the 5.7L. As I said in your post on the oil forum I have never heard of the 5.7L being filter sensitive like some engines are. The Wix/Napa Gold filter is extremely popular with the HEMI crowd. If there was an issue with it causing engine noise I would think I would have heard of it by now.
I can honestly say you are the first person I have seen say they have heard of filters causing noise in the 5.7L UNLESS the filter itself had a failure like a bad ADBV. Certainly you can try a different filter but if you do that use the same oil so you know which it was. If you swap filters and then also swap oil brands you won't know which was behind the noise.
The MOPAR oil filter is decent quality. Nothing special but it is a decent filter good for 5-6K. Mobil 1 filters are very good filters and capable of extended OCI's. I would not call them the best out there however. A K&N is on par with the Mobil 1 flters. Actually, the new Royal Purple oil filters are actually better, I would say, than the Mobil 1 filters. If you are going to stay within the 6K max OCI allowed for your truck( as I seem to recall you are ) the MOPAR filter would do the job for you.
Last edited:
Originally Posted By: NHHEMI
I would blame the M1 before I blammed the filter as M1( 5w30 anyway )has been known to increase engine noise in the 5.7L.
Agree with NHHEMI. Not to thread-jack, and I don't have a Hemi, but M1 definitely caused more noise in my 4.6L DOHC Ford motor. PP is quieter/smoother.
I would blame the M1 before I blammed the filter as M1( 5w30 anyway )has been known to increase engine noise in the 5.7L.
Agree with NHHEMI. Not to thread-jack, and I don't have a Hemi, but M1 definitely caused more noise in my 4.6L DOHC Ford motor. PP is quieter/smoother.
I did my oil change yesterday using Pennzoil Platinum 5w20 with Mobil 1 extended oil filter and the Hemi tick is gone. I went from Mobil 1 5w20 with the Napa gold filter. My next oil change I am going to use Valvolin Syn (better cold pouring for winter)and the Mobil 1 extended oil filter. Thanks for the responses, Sal
OVERKILL
$100 Site Donor 2021
Originally Posted By: widman
The new Hemi engines are interesting, I've seen two of them killed by putting 15w40 in them.
That doesn't make sense though. If that were the case, they wouldn't last a single Canadian winter with a -35C start.
The new Hemi engines are interesting, I've seen two of them killed by putting 15w40 in them.
That doesn't make sense though. If that were the case, they wouldn't last a single Canadian winter with a -35C start.
My dad just changed the oil yesterday in my families 300M and I just cut open the filter and when I turned it over to dump the oil out and then took the can off from the filter and the bottom metal base plate fell off from the filter. I will post pics later.
Oooooooooh you won't be popular with a few here.
- Joined
- Sep 28, 2002
- Messages
- 39,793
The world is an imperfect place.
Originally Posted By: 7055
Originally Posted By: widman
The new Hemi engines are interesting, I've seen two of them killed by putting 15w40 in them.
Wow really? The whole engine or just the filter? Why would it kill them?
Bent push rods?
Originally Posted By: widman
The new Hemi engines are interesting, I've seen two of them killed by putting 15w40 in them.
Wow really? The whole engine or just the filter? Why would it kill them?
Bent push rods?
OVERKILL
$100 Site Donor 2021
Originally Posted By: wirelessF
Originally Posted By: 7055
Originally Posted By: widman
The new Hemi engines are interesting, I've seen two of them killed by putting 15w40 in them.
Wow really? The whole engine or just the filter? Why would it kill them?
Bent push rods?
How is oil viscosity going to bend pushrods?
Originally Posted By: 7055
Originally Posted By: widman
The new Hemi engines are interesting, I've seen two of them killed by putting 15w40 in them.
Wow really? The whole engine or just the filter? Why would it kill them?
Bent push rods?
How is oil viscosity going to bend pushrods?
Originally Posted By: OVERK1LL
Originally Posted By: wirelessF
Originally Posted By: 7055
Originally Posted By: widman
The new Hemi engines are interesting, I've seen two of them killed by putting 15w40 in them.
Wow really? The whole engine or just the filter? Why would it kill them?
Bent push rods?
How is oil viscosity going to bend pushrods?
I read it in a magazine about a Dodge hemi engine that had bent push rods. Now that I checked it again, it had bent push rods dues to valve float from running high RPM's. The article did mention about the high viscosity overfilling the hydralic lifters causing a no start situation, but not bent pushrods.
This was from MOTOR Magazine by the way.
Originally Posted By: wirelessF
Originally Posted By: 7055
Originally Posted By: widman
The new Hemi engines are interesting, I've seen two of them killed by putting 15w40 in them.
Wow really? The whole engine or just the filter? Why would it kill them?
Bent push rods?
How is oil viscosity going to bend pushrods?
I read it in a magazine about a Dodge hemi engine that had bent push rods. Now that I checked it again, it had bent push rods dues to valve float from running high RPM's. The article did mention about the high viscosity overfilling the hydralic lifters causing a no start situation, but not bent pushrods.
This was from MOTOR Magazine by the way.
OVERKILL
$100 Site Donor 2021
Originally Posted By: wirelessF
I read it in a magazine about a Dodge hemi engine that had bent push rods. Now that I checked it again, it had bent push rods dues to valve float from running high RPM's. The article did mention about the high viscosity overfilling the hydralic lifters causing a no start situation, but not bent pushrods.
This was from MOTOR Magazine by the way.
Sounds like junk valve springs to me. Good springs would have prevented both problems
I read it in a magazine about a Dodge hemi engine that had bent push rods. Now that I checked it again, it had bent push rods dues to valve float from running high RPM's. The article did mention about the high viscosity overfilling the hydralic lifters causing a no start situation, but not bent pushrods.
This was from MOTOR Magazine by the way.
Sounds like junk valve springs to me. Good springs would have prevented both problems
- Status