Chraftsman, USA vs. China

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Yep. Quality was long gone before going to China. I used to love having the little 1/4” drive sets that came in their own case. The last ones I bought about 2007 came with the lovely auto reversing ratchets. Their pear head ratchets they put in all the sets have sucked for a while but these were horrible.
Was it the raised panel? Or that other style they had out that kinda had the odd shaped handle?
 
Whatever was in the $9.99 on sale sets they used to sell in either metric or sae.
Yeah I think that was raised panel ones. Yeah definitely not the best. I used a China made one today the anvil just wobbled so much couldn’t hardly use it I was just trying it out.
 
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Got some warranty replacement tools today. Was supposed to be a 1/2 ratchet and 3/8 ratchet but they sent 2 3/8 and then one flat head screwdriver they sent me 2 Phillips the screwdrivers are Taiwan made and don’t feel the same as the old USA ones and the ratchets are pretty rough on the edges too but for free I’m not complaining one bit.
 
I sold all my later USA made (2008-2009) craftsman stuff on ebay about 6 months ago. For the price people paid for USA stuff I was able to replace almost all of it with better tools. Ended up with tekton sockets, sunex impacts, snap on ratchets, vessel screw drivers, and wright grip wrenches.

It did take me awhile to look around and find deals as to not have to add to much out of pocket.
 
The later stuff wasn’t too good. Just today I broke one of the laser etched only ones working on an engine. It wasn’t mine and I felt bad but took it to Lowe’s and got a new one for the guy. He was happy.
 
Don't have any craftsman ratchets, but I have found the made in china ratchets I have didn't contain any grease, assembled dry. The EU made ratchets had what looks like a graphited grease in them.

The chinese ratchets benefitted a lot from some grease in them
 
The Chinese ratchets have preformed better for me as much as I hate to say it. On my USA i greased it up and it spins and ratchets nicely but the socket is still hard to pull off when using the quick release I’ve had to pry it off many times so I don’t even use mine anymore. The new Gunmetal ratchets are pretty nice and don’t hurt your hand like the raised panel ones do. I rarely use my Craftsman ratchets anymore I mainly use my Capri and Matco ones.
 
The Chinese ratchets have preformed better for me as much as I hate to say it. On my USA i greased it up and it spins and ratchets nicely but the socket is still hard to pull off when using the quick release I’ve had to pry it off many times so I don’t even use mine anymore. The new Gunmetal ratchets are pretty nice and don’t hurt your hand like the raised panel ones do. I rarely use my Craftsman ratchets anymore I mainly use my Capri and Matco ones.
Have you tried squirting some oil into the quick release? My old 1/2 inch was bunged up but a drop of oil past the ball set it up nicely. Then lubed the gears and it's better than new.
 
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Have you tried squirting some oil into the quick release? My old 1/2 inch was bunged up but a drop of oil past the ball set it up nicely. Then lines the gears and it's better than new.
No I haven’t tried that. I heard spraying that stuff wasn’t good for the internals lol.
 
It might not be good for it but if it's already broke it can't do much harm! :)
LOL. True and they already gave me the replacement for it too. I greased up the internals and it works really good just need to work on that detent ball. It doesn’t do it with the double detent sockets.
 
LOL. True and they already gave me the replacement for it too. I greased up the internals and it works really good just need to work on that detent ball. It doesn’t do it with the double detent sockets.
You can also buy a rebuild kit on Amazon for $25. About the same cost as a whole new ratchet! :ROFLMAO:
 
It depends on when they were made and who made them. Craftsman has had tools made by many companies over the decades some were stellar others not. A list of who made tools for Craftsman.

Early Craftsman Series (generally pre-1947, with some exceptions):

BC = unknown U.S. manufacturer, ca. ? - ?

BE = New Britain, ca. 1931 - 1947

BM = S-K, ca. 1939 - 1951

BT = unknown U.S. manufacturer, ca. 1936 - 1938

Cxx = Probably New Britain or Hinsdale, ca. 1930 - 1936

CI = unknown U.S manu., ca. 1930 - 1945

CF or C-F = Herbrand, ca. 1934 - 1939

Craftsman Vanadium = unknown U.S. Manu, ca. 1931 - 1941

C8 = JP Danielson, ca. 1930 -1936

F-circle = Miller Falls, ca. 1949 - 1964

G-circle = possibly Lectrolite, ca. 1949 - 1964

H-circle = New Britain, ca. 1931 - 1947

K-circle = SK, ca. 1939 - 1951 perhaps later

N-square = unknown U.S. manu., ca ? - ?

P-circle = Wilde, ca. 1945 - 1960

S-circle = Kastar, ca. 1960 - 2008, perhaps earlier

V-circle = unknown U.S. manu., ca. ? - 1985

U-circle = Plomb, ca. 1944 - 1948

Z-circle = Mayhew, ca. 1957 - 1969


Modern Craftsman Series (generally 1947 and later, with some exceptions):

BF = probably Daido, possibly Hozan, Japanese made, ca 1969 - 1987

C = unknown U.S. manu., ca. 1991

C = Stanley Works, Taiwanese made, ca. ? - ?
(note--this is a Canadian Craftsman series code)

CG = unknown U.S. manu., ca. 2001 - 2005

D = Kington, Chinese made, ca. 1992 - 2008

DJ = Mitutoyo, Japanese made, ca. 1968 perhaps earlier & later

E/EE = National Hand Tools/later Stanley Works-NHT division, some USA made, most Taiwanese made, ca. 1982 - 1991

EEE/EEC/EE7 = Stanley Works, Taiwanese made, ca. 1988 - 2009
(note--these are Canadian Craftsman series codes)

F = Danaher/possibly K-D division, ca. ? - 2008

G = Easco, ca. 1980 - 1989 perhaps as early as 1979 when Easco acquired the Gastonia plant

G continued = Danaher, ca. 1990 - 2009

G1 = Danaher, ca. 2000

G2 = Danaher, ca. ? - 2008

G2D = Danaher, ca. 2008 - 2009

GD = Danaher, ca. 2008 - 2009

GK = Danaher/Kingsley Tools Division, ca. 2003 - 2008

GK-A = Danaher/Kingsley Tools Division, ca. 1999 - 2003

GK-F = Danaher/Kinsley Tools Division, ca. 2007 - 2008

GK-G = Danaher/Kingsley Tools Division, ca. 2007 - 2008

GK-X = Danaher/Kinsley Tools Division, ca. ? - 2008

H = Danaher/Holo-Krome, ca. 1994 - 2009

HZ = Danaher/Holo-Krome, ca. ? - 2008

HZ O = Danaher/Holo-Krome, ca. 2009-2009

HZ OO = Danaher/Holo-Krome, ca. 2008 - 2009

I-circle = Parker Mfg Co, ca. 1965 - 1986

JW = J.H. Williams & Co, ca. 1954 - 1972

K = SK division of Facom, ca. 1985 - 2004, could still be NOS

K1W = Danaher, ca. 2007

K3V = Danaher, ca. ? - 2008

K3X = Danaher, ca. 2007 -2008

K9W = Danaher, ca. 2008 - 2009

KR = Danaher, ca. 2005 - 2008

KU = Danaher, ca. ? - 2008

KV = Danaher, ca. ? - 2008

KW = Danaher, ca. 2002 - 2008, probably earlier

KX = Danaher, ca. 2002 - 2008, probably earlier

L1X = Danaher, ca. 2008 - ?

L SI = Simmonds International, ca. 2008 - 2009

M6W = Dahaher, ca. 2007 - 2008

N = Pratt Read, ca. 2007 - 2009

OA = Unknown U.S. manu., ca. ? - ?

P = Wilde, ca. 2008 - 2009, perhaps earlier

Q = Pratt Read, ca. 2002 - 2006

R = Pratt Read, ca. 2002 - 2006

PR = Pratt Read, ca. 2002 - 2009

Q PR = Pratt Read, ca. ? - ?

S PR = Pratt Read, ca. 2007 - 2008

T PR = Pratt Read, ca. 2007 - 2008

U PR1-3 = Pratt Read, ca. 2008

V PR = Pratt Read, ca. 2007 - 2008

W PR = Pratt Read, ca 2007 - 2009

X PR = Pratt Reed, ca. 2009 - 2009

ST = Stanley Works, likely Taiwanese made, ca. 2007 - 2009
(note- this is a Canadian Craftsman series code)

T1V = Danaher, ca. 2006 - 2007

T2W = Danaher, ca. 2008

T3W = Danaher, ca. 2008

T5V = Danaher, ca. 2008

T5W = Danaher, ca. 2008

T5X = Danaher, ca. 2008

V = Moore Drop Forge, ca. 1938 - 1967

V (continued) = Easco, ca. 1968 - 1986 perhaps as late as 1991 as NOS

VF = Danaher, ca. likely early 1990's

VG = Danaher, ca. 1994 - 1995

VH = Danaher, ca. 1994 - 1997

VJ = Danaher, ca. 1994 - 2008

VK = Danaher, ca. 1996 - ?

VL = Danaher, ca. ? - ?

VM = Danaher, ca. ? - ?

VN = Danaher, ca. 1999 - 2001

VP = Danaher, ca. ? - ?

VQ = Danaher, ca. 2001 - 2004

VR = Danaher, ca. 2002

VS = Danaher, ca. 1995 - 2003

VT = Danaher, ca. 2002 - 2006

VU = Danaher, ca. 2005

VV = Easco, ca. 1978 - 1989

VV continued = Danaher, ca. 1990 - 2009

VW = Danaher, ca. 2002 - 2008

VVY = Danaher, ca. 2009 - ?

V^(2nd V inverted) = Danaher, Armstrong Division, ca. 1992 - 2008

VVL = Danaher, ca. 2000 - ?

VVN = Danaher, ca. 2005

VVS = Danaher, ca. 2003

VVT = Danaher, ca. 2004 - 2005

VVV = Danaher, ca. 2008

VVW = Danaher, ca. 2008

VVX = Danaher, ca. 2002 - 2008, possibly earlier

W = SK Hand tools, post-Facom , ca. 2005 - 2008

WF = Western Forge, ca. 1965 - 2008

WF ll = Western Forge, ca. 1969

WF D = Western Forge, ca. ?

WF J = Western Forge, ca. 1991 - ?

WF K = Western Forge, ca. ?

WF L = Western Forge, ca. ? - 2009

WF R = Western Forge, ca. ?

WF U = Western Forge, ca. 2008

WF V = Western Forge, ca. 2008 - 2009

WF W = Western Forge, ca. 2002 - 2009

WF X = Western Forge, ca. 2008 - 2009

WF Y = Western Forge, ca. 2009 - 2009

A WF = Western Forge, ca. ?

B WF = Western Forge, ca. ?

C WF = Western Forge, ca. ?

D WF = Western Forge, ca. 1993 - 2000

E WF = Western Forge, ca. ?

F WF = Western Forge, ca. 2003

G WF = Western Forge, ca. ?

H WF = Western Forge, ca. ?

J WF = Western Forge, ca. 1995

K WF = Western Forge, ca. 1995

L WF = Western Forge, ca. ?

M WF = Western Forge, ca. ?

N WF = Western Forge, ca. ?

O WF = Western Forge, ca. ?

P WF = Western Forge, ca. ?

Q WF = Western Forge, ca. 1990 - 1995

S WF = Western Forge, ca. 2009

T WF = Western Forge, ca. 2002 - 2009

U WF = Western Forge, ca. ?

V WF = Western Forge, ca. 2002 - 2009

W WF = Western Forge, ca. 2002 - 2009

X WF = Western Forge, ca. 1965 - 2009

Y WF = Western Forge, ca. 2009 - 2009

+ WF = Western Forge, ca. 1965 - ?

* WF = Western Forge, ca. 1965 - ?

> WF = Western Forge, ca. ?

|| WF = Western Forge, ca. ?

∆ WF = Western Forge, ca. 1966 - ?

□ WF = Western Forge, ca. 1965 - ?

7 WF = Western Forge, ca. ?

X = SK Hand tools, post-Facom , ca. 2008 - 2009

Z = Mayhew, ca. 1957 - 2008

3 = Kastar, ca. 1991

4 = Kastar, ca. 1992

[ = Kastar, ca. 2002 - 2009 possibly earlier

.(Dot) = SK, ca. 2008 - 2009
Excellent list! I thought I'd test it against a known bit of Craftsman hardware. I bought my first Craftsman tools in late '77 - a 1/2" drive ratchet, and an SAE socket set (7/16" up to 1-1/4"). The sockets are marked with a "V", so Easco 1968 - 1986, which is completely consistent with your list. Haven't broken any of the sockets yet!
 
Here are some of my ratchets. The newer ones are from a socket set i bought to have in my travel trailer. The new ones suck!! I would look at HF before buying these. I wish i had not, but i needed a set at the campground.

Good ratchet( I don't remember the age)
Oil port usa craftsman.
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USA non oil port craftsman
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Really sad clunky china craftsman.
BAD!
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Here is a pic comparing them.
1/2 left to right. Blackhawk(proto)
New craftsman
Oil port craftsman
Non oil port craftsman
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3/8 comparison with a snap on flex head.
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Here are some of my ratchets. The newer ones are from a socket set i bought to have in my travel trailer. The new ones suck!! I would look at HF before buying these. I wish i had not, but i needed a set at the campground.

Good ratchet( I don't remember the age)
Oil port usa craftsman.
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USA non oil purr craftsman
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Really sad clunky china craftsman.
BAD!
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Here is a pic comparing them.
1/2 left to right. Blackhawk(proto)
New craftsman
Oil port craftsman
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3/8 comparison with a snap on flex head.
Those ones are Taiwan made actually or at least they are now same with the gunmetal ones. Maybe you got them when they were still China ones. The Gunmetal ratchets are the only ratchets I’d buy from them now.
 
The box says china.

The heads on the new ones are ridiculously large very clunky, they don't feel good in the hand at all. My favorite so far are the blackhawk proto ratchets.

They have nice small heads, fit in tight spaces and feel very good in your hand.
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Oh ok you must have the older ones then. The newer ones are Taiwan now. Yes those Blackhawk are nice. I wish Blackhawk wouldn’t of been discontinued and replaced.
 
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