JHZR2
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Originally Posted By: PandaBear
Originally Posted By: JHZR2
Originally Posted By: PandaBear
Pro: Foreign students pay non subsidized tuition, so they are not a burden but rather an economic stimulus to the education system (and to some extend, the state economy and reduced burden).
Not engineering grad students. They get their education for free. And the $30k or so stipend is a fortune in China or India.
China is heavily subsidizing new business startups over there, so that the folks educated here will be inclined to return.
You really have no idea what you talk about.
That's school and professor specific if they want to pay for the grad students' tuition and salary as TA or RA (grad students have to work in order to get free education), and the cost between resident and non resident students in public universities are different, and that is a fact. If the grad students are that sharp, the professors will pay for all of the cost and some money to live on, but that is very unlikely that professors will pay for everything from grants he got.
Usually, the international students are happy to just get the resident portion of the cost (i.e. 1/3) and pay out of pocket for the non resident portion (i.e. 2/3). They are usually not going to get 30k Stipend when factor in the tuition, and I've never seen someone getting paid that much ever. Usually after subtracting the tuition they get around $500 to 1k a month to live on (rent food transportation, etc). Unless they are that sharp and are on scholarship left and right, which usually exclude international students to begin with, and I've never in my life seen any international students that have gotten a US paid scholarship.
I've also never seen a new grad wanting to go back to China or India as 1st option. They usually like to hire manager or senior level engineers and pay them near (or half, depends) US salary to go back, but a fresh, inexperienced grad going back to China or India will receive China or India salary, which is about 1/4 to 1/3 of US salary.
I know a LOT of what Im taking about because much of what I do for a job involves giving research grants to Universities for engineering work. I see the full, burdened cost of what is paid.
The stipend is for TAing, sure, but that is irrelevant as to if the student is foreign or not, other than the quality of the TA (those with poor language skills are generally lousy). Doint that part of the work (not typically tied to the research advisor) is part of the overhead fees burdened onto the cost of the grant. It is a departmental/university function. Im sure tuition from the students in the class pays this to some extent too.
The reality is that in engineering graduate work, the stipends and package generally (and by generally I mean 99% of the time) covers tuition and the stipend which covers room and board of some sort. Depending upon the school, there may be graduate housing, though most grad students live in rented homes and apartments.
Now if the universities are claiming costs and fees that they are not extending to the grad students, then this is another story. But typically a grant will pay for some percentage of the professor's time (generally in the summer since the school pays through the year) and then the rest of the costs they build into the grant proposal go towards covering the student and research. If they are misleading the grant agency, then there is a legal issue. I doubt it.
I have gotten detailed research briefings on the competitive practices in China, and things that they are trying to implement. My concept of what is really going on is what it is. If yours is hearsay from people you know over there, then I must take it with a grain of salt.
Originally Posted By: JHZR2
Originally Posted By: PandaBear
Pro: Foreign students pay non subsidized tuition, so they are not a burden but rather an economic stimulus to the education system (and to some extend, the state economy and reduced burden).
Not engineering grad students. They get their education for free. And the $30k or so stipend is a fortune in China or India.
China is heavily subsidizing new business startups over there, so that the folks educated here will be inclined to return.
You really have no idea what you talk about.
That's school and professor specific if they want to pay for the grad students' tuition and salary as TA or RA (grad students have to work in order to get free education), and the cost between resident and non resident students in public universities are different, and that is a fact. If the grad students are that sharp, the professors will pay for all of the cost and some money to live on, but that is very unlikely that professors will pay for everything from grants he got.
Usually, the international students are happy to just get the resident portion of the cost (i.e. 1/3) and pay out of pocket for the non resident portion (i.e. 2/3). They are usually not going to get 30k Stipend when factor in the tuition, and I've never seen someone getting paid that much ever. Usually after subtracting the tuition they get around $500 to 1k a month to live on (rent food transportation, etc). Unless they are that sharp and are on scholarship left and right, which usually exclude international students to begin with, and I've never in my life seen any international students that have gotten a US paid scholarship.
I've also never seen a new grad wanting to go back to China or India as 1st option. They usually like to hire manager or senior level engineers and pay them near (or half, depends) US salary to go back, but a fresh, inexperienced grad going back to China or India will receive China or India salary, which is about 1/4 to 1/3 of US salary.
I know a LOT of what Im taking about because much of what I do for a job involves giving research grants to Universities for engineering work. I see the full, burdened cost of what is paid.
The stipend is for TAing, sure, but that is irrelevant as to if the student is foreign or not, other than the quality of the TA (those with poor language skills are generally lousy). Doint that part of the work (not typically tied to the research advisor) is part of the overhead fees burdened onto the cost of the grant. It is a departmental/university function. Im sure tuition from the students in the class pays this to some extent too.
The reality is that in engineering graduate work, the stipends and package generally (and by generally I mean 99% of the time) covers tuition and the stipend which covers room and board of some sort. Depending upon the school, there may be graduate housing, though most grad students live in rented homes and apartments.
Now if the universities are claiming costs and fees that they are not extending to the grad students, then this is another story. But typically a grant will pay for some percentage of the professor's time (generally in the summer since the school pays through the year) and then the rest of the costs they build into the grant proposal go towards covering the student and research. If they are misleading the grant agency, then there is a legal issue. I doubt it.
I have gotten detailed research briefings on the competitive practices in China, and things that they are trying to implement. My concept of what is really going on is what it is. If yours is hearsay from people you know over there, then I must take it with a grain of salt.
