Chinese Spyware on phones

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Originally Posted By: OneEyeJack
Did you have some expectation of privacy? Then don't use anything electronic or use a service that uses electronics. Read a book but not from a library. And when you're in public, smile. You're on someone's camera.


No...but I really didn't think the Chinese (or any other manufacturer for that matter.) would deliberately build software and hardware that was specifically made "for spying"... I know there's no pretense of security.

It's too bad that these devices are not more highly examined to begin with.
 
Originally Posted By: dlayman
Originally Posted By: DBMaster
Originally Posted By: dlayman
I personally would not purchase a BLU phone for quality reasons. They simply purchase the cheapest of the cheap Chinese OEM phones (not brands you may have heard of like Huawei, ZTE, Lenovo, or Alcatel), and rebadge them. I expect the quality to be quite poor on these. And these phones were never originally meant to be released to the US market,


IIRC the company (Bold Like Us) is based in Miami and originally intended the phone brand for Latin American countries. Some of them get very good reviews online, but like you, I am a bit leery when the prices are TOO low.


Yes BLU is a Miami-based American company, specializing in rebranding the cheapest of the cheap no-name Chinese phones. I don't know about the Latin American part. Likely Blu was as duped by this as anybody, but they might have expected as much. A lot of products get good reviews because they function when fresh out of the box (like people who write glowing reviews of tires with 100 miles on them). Android is as much to blame as anybody in this. These devices should not have passed licensing. Obviously they must be relying on the "good faith" of the cell phone suppliers, rather than doing actual testing, like too many regulatory bodies do. Or else they just aren't very good at it. People seem to think Samsung, LG, Blackberry, Apple are safe and secure, but I wouldn't bet on any of it.


Yes, good comments. I wonder why these "passed" originally and does it really take a private testing company to vet these devices? With everything going on in the cyber-world, one would think our country would really be scrutinizing this.
 
Originally Posted By: JGmazda
Originally Posted By: OneEyeJack
Did you have some expectation of privacy? Then don't use anything electronic or use a service that uses electronics. Read a book but not from a library. And when you're in public, smile. You're on someone's camera.


No...but I really didn't think the Chinese (or any other manufacturer for that matter.) would deliberately build software and hardware that was specifically made "for spying"... I know there's no pretense of security.

It's too bad that these devices are not more highly examined to begin with.


I think you're wrong in that assumption, unfortunately. Phones meant for the Chinese domestic market are all equipped, or at least mostly are, with spyware. That's how Blu got into trouble. Some of those phones meant for the Chinese market made it into the US with the spyware not removed. The Google operating system is "spying" on you all the time, collecting data, and has announced their willingness to share this data with the US government should they request it. AT&T also maintains a huge database of information that it makes available to the US and state governments for a profit fee.
 
Originally Posted By: JGmazda
Originally Posted By: dlayman
Originally Posted By: DBMaster
Originally Posted By: dlayman
I personally would not purchase a BLU phone for quality reasons. They simply purchase the cheapest of the cheap Chinese OEM phones (not brands you may have heard of like Huawei, ZTE, Lenovo, or Alcatel), and rebadge them. I expect the quality to be quite poor on these. And these phones were never originally meant to be released to the US market,


IIRC the company (Bold Like Us) is based in Miami and originally intended the phone brand for Latin American countries. Some of them get very good reviews online, but like you, I am a bit leery when the prices are TOO low.


Yes BLU is a Miami-based American company, specializing in rebranding the cheapest of the cheap no-name Chinese phones. I don't know about the Latin American part. Likely Blu was as duped by this as anybody, but they might have expected as much. A lot of products get good reviews because they function when fresh out of the box (like people who write glowing reviews of tires with 100 miles on them). Android is as much to blame as anybody in this. These devices should not have passed licensing. Obviously they must be relying on the "good faith" of the cell phone suppliers, rather than doing actual testing, like too many regulatory bodies do. Or else they just aren't very good at it. People seem to think Samsung, LG, Blackberry, Apple are safe and secure, but I wouldn't bet on any of it.


Yes, good comments. I wonder why these "passed" originally and does it really take a private testing company to vet these devices? With everything going on in the cyber-world, one would think our country would really be scrutinizing this.



I think Android is more interested in collecting licensing fees than in doing thorough testing to protect their customers. Again, being open sourced, Android is always going to be more susceptible to back door exploits. Unfortunately as is usually the case the hackers tend to be a step ahead of the good guys. The US is WAY behind in the cyber security war. Heck, the Democratic party couldn't even keep its data secure from Russian hackers. Major governmental and institutional systems remain vulnerable. I think individual devices are a low priority. There's a reason why governmental officials have always relied on Blackberry. Whether that remains the case now that Blackberries run Android, although supposedly with enhanced security, on Chinese OEM phones I'm not sure. The most recent BlackBerry release is a rebadged inexpensive Alcatel Chinese phone, again with supposedly enhanced security. However if Spyware is baked into the root of the phone, who knows if BlackBerry can make it secure. I think the best bet is to find a way to see if there is unauthorized data being sent from your phone. There are apps to do this, although the name escapes me at the moment. But on the converse this app requires extensive phone permissions although it does come from a "reputable source". I can go back and look into the app if you are interested. It also requires a download to your PC in order to do the analysis. Despite how bleak I make it sound, there have been very few reports of any damage being done to individual users. I think breaching bigger targets, such as banks, large department stores, and even government databases is a higher priority.
 
Wow... my eyes have been opened here... I think someone here said (paraphrasing...) "The only way to stay secure is to stay 100% off the internet and phones.." There really isn't "privacy" anymore is there?
 
Originally Posted By: JGmazda
Wow... my eyes have been opened here... I think someone here said (paraphrasing...) "The only way to stay secure is to stay 100% off the internet and phones.." There really isn't "privacy" anymore is there?


No, not really. If you're very technically proficient you can increase your odds, but most people aren't that skilled and even then I don't think its 100%.
 
There is an app called Trusteer Rapport by IBM that secures online banking and etc. It was originally coded and released by an Israeli company but IBM bought it. I do use my credit card on my phone for online stuff, but it is credit not debit and so I'm using the credit card bank's money not mine on mobile. It gets breached then I simply dispute the charges and I'm not out a dime. As far as my local bank where my money sits, I have no card associated to it except an ATM only card that will only work at ATM's it is not a credit or debit card otherwise.
 
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