Chinese Robots

97K15004WD said:
Sometimes quantity over quality wins. Put an AI in charge of them and teach it all military strategy and see how it goes.
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The war in Korea is an outstanding example of how quantity over quality can make a war unwinnable, or worse. The overwhelming number of troops China committed to the conflict, working choregraphed in close combat that was credited for causing the stalemate at the 38th parallel, even though the US had far superior weapon systems.

Now add that these robot soldiers don't need food or water.......... logistics is the most challenging part of a large conflict, and not needing food or water for soldiers is a significant game changer.

Supplementally- robots don't need medical care, and very importantly, robots don't scream in agony when they are shot but not a fatality, a wounded soldier that is in grave pain not only requires care but has a significant physiological impact on his fellow soldiers.
 
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The thing with robots is you don't have to "grow" them like people. Build them, program them and in less than a week you have a soldier that follows orders without question.

Meanwhile, it takes 18 years to "grow" a soldier. Then train them, and let them gain experience. After 20 years, you have a true soldier. The time lines are in the favor of the robots.
 
97K15004WD said:
The thing with robots is you don't have to "grow" them like people. Build them, program them and in less than a week you have a soldier that follows orders without question.

Meanwhile, it takes 18 years to "grow" a soldier. Then train them, and let them gain experience. After 20 years, you have a true soldier. The time lines are in the favor of the robots.
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Very good points.

It was reported Russia lost more soldiers (fatalities) in the past 60 days than it was able to recruit. New recruits need to be trained, not all will make it through training, etc. I suspect the cost of building a robot soldier might be less than the cost to train a civilian to be a soldier.
 
It gets worse....

https://chinapower.csis.org/china-industrial-robots/

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This dilemma is most acute for the United States, which lacks a robust robotics sector. Valuations of the U.S. industrial robotics sector vary, but most estimate a market size of a few billion dollars—a far cry from China’s estimated $47 billion industry. None of the world’s top ten industrial robotics companies are headquartered in the United States, and its most prominent companies in the field—like Boston Dynamics—focus more on research than commercial-scale production. Most industrial robots used in the United States are imported from Japan and Germany. Compared to China’s 470 industrial robots per 10,000 factory workers, the United States has only 295.
 
barryh said:
How long do a robots batteries last

3 hours ?
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Like many things, robots will really improve once the battery tech matures. More capacity, faster charging, more charge cycles without deg, and for sure lighter if we can get there. Like robot vacs, I think they will self dock.
 
vwmaniaman said:
You do have to provide a way to charge them.
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Probably a charger robot will show up. A giant battery bot?

China already placed a robot on their Indian border which apparently has autonomous battery placement capabilities, maybe via drone?

rijndael said:
Broader than robotics, we have a manufacturing problem.
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China plays the long game and I don't know if this was intended, or maybe realized later on, but their industrialization and massive price cutting has turned out to be a potential military advantage.

For example at the recent Munich summit I believe one of the speakers mentioned how Europe has lost so much chemical manufacturing capability that they are now a net importer. https://cefic.org/news/chemical-pla...pe-since-2022-reaching-37mt-new-report-finds/

China can just shut off the spigot to any manufacturing sector, including medicine, and cause chaos in the US and Europe

The problem is, even if we go through suffering imposed by Chinese manufacturing embargos, we'd only find another to have someone do it cheaper eventually again.

We at least need medicine made locally.
 
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xspeedy said:
Like many things, robots will really improve once the battery tech matures. More capacity, faster charging, more charge cycles without deg, and for sure lighter if we can get there. Like robot vacs, I think they will self dock.
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It will take some time. The energy source is what's holding robots back. 3 hours is a maximum but I bet they can't do some of these impressive displays for anything like 3 hours. It's near an order of magnitude improvement in battery capacity that they need to be useful as soldiers. I'm impressed with what they can do but until there is a massive improvement in batteries they are just hype that's designed to impress rather than be a realistic option.
 
Two legged piles of chinese junk. They'll probably never release them and never intended to do anything with these beyond using them as a big scam to scam investors out of their money and run away with it.
 
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