Chinese EV anyone?

[Rmay635703]

I doubt there will be any Chinese EV's in Canada for any short time. I would expect the big players like BYD would want to set up dealerships or partner with existing brands so they have a launch point. I could see Nissan Canada doing this?

The issue of compliance to Transport Canada is not too hard, it's almost identical to USA standards, I'm not 100% on the specific details but placement of brake lights etc and small issues. The crash testing is a big question, especially if the Chinese want to ship cars that were not designed at CAD stage to meet North American crash requirements.

Kandi spent 2009-2022? Unable (or unwilling) to get compliant air bags thus always selling full speed cars as NEVs into the us.

We have several examples of Chinese automakers launching to some extent in the us and each time was an unmitigated disaster with low sales volumes combined customers holding the bag on figuring out how to repair orphaned cars.

See Miles, Coda, wheego , BYD “Commercial “, Kandi for examples.

 

[Snagglefoot]

Recently it's been announced that Canada will be importing large amounts of Chinese EVs.
They are priced competitively with other "budget friendly" EV's.

There's a few problems with this idea, including;
1. Charging infrastructure in many rural parts of Canada are sorely lacking and decades away from maturity.
2. The vehicles haven't passed crash test or any other regulations from transport Canada
3. The "starting" price is in the low 30s. To me, given the rising costs of everything else, that's not much of a savings. Especially for something that can be troublesome to charge.
4. Reliability - As with many other EVs, they are still in their infancy. Many mainstream manufacturers are still having problems working out bugs (Hyundai, Volvo, Chrysler etc.)

What I propose, is we do what we did in N. America in the early 80s:
Import cheap, smaller ICE Euro cars from Peugeot, Renault, Lada etc. Similar in size to a Focus/Fiesta/Sonic/Fit.
It's not a permanent fix, but something to at least get us through until the "big 3" can get their act together and start providing vehicles the majority of N. Americans can actually afford.

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/money/top...-will-they-cost/ar-AA1UnHMm?ocid=BingNewsSerp

They haven’t passed crash testing in Canada? They’re not in Canada yet. Probably should check crash testing in Europe where they been sold for years. You Tube has the 2025 crash testing of the BYD Sealion 7. No problems. Rather impressive actually. I’ll see if I can post it later today.

 

[Snagglefoot]

Interesting thing is the Tesla China plant is setup to produce cars for the Canadian market. Ironic in so many ways.
On a related topic, GM has a no fix available recall on their 24-25 Buick Envisions. Main screen is unresponsive. TSB/Bulletin PIT6362. Since April 2025. Guess where they're made. Ding, ding...China.

Yeah, but so are billions of IPads. If there is anything China is capable of making, its computers and display panels.

 

[Snagglefoot]

A great many “Chinese made” EV’s imported into Canada are going to be Teslas, and BYD will be their biggest competitor.

Pricing will have to shake out to be competitive with US made Teslas. There will be a 6% tariff on the Chinese made ones. This is already agreed upon. My guess is the the US made Teslas will not make it into Canada eventually. Why would Elon do that? He has a captive audience in the USA. He doesn’t have to compete with his own Chinese made Teslas.

 

[97prizm]

Recently it's been announced that Canada will be importing large amounts of Chinese EVs.
They are priced competitively with other "budget friendly" EV's.

There's a few problems with this idea, including;
1. Charging infrastructure in many rural parts of Canada are sorely lacking and decades away from maturity.
2. The vehicles haven't passed crash test or any other regulations from transport Canada
3. The "starting" price is in the low 30s. To me, given the rising costs of everything else, that's not much of a savings. Especially for something that can be troublesome to charge.
4. Reliability - As with many other EVs, they are still in their infancy. Many mainstream manufacturers are still having problems working out bugs (Hyundai, Volvo, Chrysler etc.)

What I propose, is we do what we did in N. America in the early 80s:
Import cheap, smaller ICE Euro cars from Peugeot, Renault, Lada etc. Similar in size to a Focus/Fiesta/Sonic/Fit.
It's not a permanent fix, but something to at least get us through until the "big 3" can get their act together and start providing vehicles the majority of N. Americans can actually afford.

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/money/top...-will-they-cost/ar-AA1UnHMm?ocid=BingNewsSerp

Add in it sounds like their reliability isn't as stellar as they make it out to be.

 

[Snagglefoot]

There is no product advertising on them yet, but a person can check BYD Europe for what they are getting. BYD Build Your Dreams.

Www.bydeurope.com

 

[4wd]

A great many “Chinese made” EV’s imported into Canada are going to be Teslas, and BYD will be their biggest competitor.

Pricing will have to shake out to be competitive with US made Teslas. There will be a 6% tariff on the Chinese made ones. This is already agreed upon. My guess is the the US made Teslas will not make it into Canada eventually. Why would Elon do that? He has a captive audience in the USA. He doesn’t have to compete with his own Chinese made Teslas.

already wonder what cards he’s holding on what can be done in advanced AI/communications and how he will integrate that with Tesla where markets allow …
Maybe one of his robots can drive better than the car alone

 

[Snagglefoot]

Remote rural areas are not a target customer for EVs. Think large urban areas with congestion and strong electric grids. That's where they really shine. Low 30's isn't bad for really any vehicle these days. Have you seen the used car market?

Yep. The big sales areas for EV’s in Canada are in the lower mainland around Vancouver, and in the Quebec City and Montreal area of the Province of Quebec. The bonus is both those provinces have almost 100% hydro electricity from power dams.

 

[Snagglefoot]

already wonder what cards he’s holding on what can be done in advanced AI/communications and how he will integrate that with Tesla where markets allow …
Maybe one of his robots can drive better than the car alone

Jeeves, bring the Tesla round.

 

[Danno]

Yeah, but so are billions of IPads. If there is anything China is capable of making, its computers and display panels.

GM supply chain show's the quality defects in China production. That one is hard to understand how they messed it up.

 

[4wd]

Jeeves, bring the Tesla round.

Well, I already said they have room to bump up to a more luxurious interior to create some distance from cheaper stuff that’s on the way.

 

[KrisZ]

Let capitalism do its thing. Let people decide if they want to spend their money on them.

Letting in cheap Chinese junk is not capitalism. If you want capitalism, then start with companies that aren’t owned by the CCP. I’ll wait for a list of those.

 

[Snagglefoot]

Looking at BYD’s layout, the Sealion 7 will compete with the Tesla 3.

 

[KrisZ]

Interesting how people screaming “capitalism” have no clue how capitalism works, or have a weird understanding of it to fit their hopes, which in this case is lower car prices.

I do hope your Chinese made junk will be all you imagine it to be.

 

[Snagglefoot]

Interesting how people screaming “capitalism” have no clue how capitalism works, or have a weird understanding of it to fit their hopes, which in this case is lower car prices.

I do hope your Chinese made junk will be all you imagine it to be.

It’s Elon who decided to build them in China.

 

[hemioiler]

Interesting how people screaming “capitalism” have no clue how capitalism works, or have a weird understanding of it to fit their hopes, which in this case is lower car prices.

I do hope your Chinese made junk will be all you imagine it to be.

Hate to break it to you, but your exposure to a lot of "Chinese junk" is made that way to due American companies trying to cut costs.

They are more than capable of going head to toe with quality products made elsewhere. Can't speak for these EV's as I've never looked into them.

As far as capitalism goes, none of the big 3 would have survied without bailouts from multiple levels of governments. Stellantis just broke their contract with Ontario after taking our money and running. That's not capitalism either.

 

[4wd]

Letting in cheap Chinese junk is not capitalism. If you want capitalism, then start with companies that aren’t owned by the CCP. I’ll wait for a list of those.

Let me think back - shut down domestic flights but not international flights … trying to remember who that was and why I won’t actually forget …

 

[4wd]

It’s Elon who decided to build them in China.

Yep, huge market …

 

[KrisZ]

Hate to break it to you, but your exposure to a lot of "Chinese junk" is made that way to due American companies trying to cut costs.

They are more than capable of going head to toe with quality products made elsewhere. Can't speak for these EV's as I've never looked into them.

As far as capitalism goes, none of the big 3 would have survied without bailouts from multiple levels of governments. Stellantis just broke their contract with Ontario after taking our money and running. That's not capitalism either.

Then I hate to break it to you that none of the Chinese made junk would even take off if it weren’t for the deliberate manipulation of the trade policies in the western countries.

There was a conscious effort to prop up the Chinese economy and slowly start to destroy the American production base. But most people think it happened organically and call it capitalism.

 

[Snagglefoot]

IBTL. At least it came out in discussion about what’s happening regarding a new source of EVs, and an introduction to BYD. It’s already been suggested by the administration that Chinese manufacturers are welcome to set up in the USA.