I am thinking of taking out my FS-2500 and installing a BMK-11 and when I do I was thinking of leaving the oil in (Series 30005w-30 with 14,000 miles on it) and just installing the filters EaO & EaBP to see if they really do a better job. With out a oil sample is there a way to just looking at the oil tell if the filters are doing any good and if they were looking good then take a oil sample. I understand what a oil sample does it is just a question.
Changing Bi-pass Filter setup
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You may be able to get something out of doing blotter tests. You take an index card and put a drop of used oil on it. The way the spot spreads ..and what it leaves behind tells you what condition your oil is in.
Just search for "blotter" in the various forums (auto gen and car and truck lube) and you'll get plenty of opinions from other members.
Just search for "blotter" in the various forums (auto gen and car and truck lube) and you'll get plenty of opinions from other members.
That is just what i was looking for.
Thanks
Bill
Thanks
Bill
I did for get the engine is a 7.3 2003 PSD with 43000 miles.
I would do a full service draining the oil and sample after a few seconds of the drain cycle. 14,000 miles is a lot of miles. Then when the analysis comes back you will know if you can go further on the next OCI. The bypass and fullflow are expensive and I don't think that in a diesel you can go further than 25,000 and have a decent analysis report. Even with a bypass.
Why not send in an oil sample now. Based on that report, you will know if the oil is suitable for continued use (which it should be, barring mechanical problems).
Then add the Bypass setup. You could take another sample about 1-2,000 miles later. This would let you compare solids, and whatever else might be going on. You'd probably notice a drop in wear metal ppm, but that would be attributable to the removal of a couple quarts of oil (with current filter) and addition of some 4 new quarts with the system.
As far as doing a better job--they should remove some additional soot, because they take out a larger percentage of smaller particles. You may or may not be able to detect this with the first analysis.
Then add the Bypass setup. You could take another sample about 1-2,000 miles later. This would let you compare solids, and whatever else might be going on. You'd probably notice a drop in wear metal ppm, but that would be attributable to the removal of a couple quarts of oil (with current filter) and addition of some 4 new quarts with the system.
As far as doing a better job--they should remove some additional soot, because they take out a larger percentage of smaller particles. You may or may not be able to detect this with the first analysis.
14,000 miles on this set up is not out of the question I am just not happy with my results so far. Keep in mine the EaO is a 25,000 mile filter already.
What results aren't you happy with?
You really can't tell how well the filter(s) is/are doing by smelling the oil, or rubbing it between your fingers, or tasting it.
You really can't tell how well the filter(s) is/are doing by smelling the oil, or rubbing it between your fingers, or tasting it.
The visual soot level FS claims to be able to remove this soot visualy this is not so.
Oil sample 9,227 miles
Aluminum 2
Chromium 1
Iron 18
Copper 7
Lead 4
Tin 0
Molybdenum 1
Manganese 0
Silver 0
Titanium 0
Potassium 3
Boron 41
Silicon 2
Calcium 3786
Magnesium 58
Phosphorus 1040
Zink 1275
Barium 0
SUS viscosity @ 210
Flashpoint 460
Fuel .5
Antifreeze 0
Water 0
Insolubles .3
The only way to tell what's going on is to stick with your plan. **** has some valuable advice. Go ahead and run the BMK-11, add the EAO bypass filter and top off oil level. Run it another 6 thousand miles to 20,000 and sample/don't drain until you know what the analyser recomends.
Even if your oil is good to go further, then the only thing you would change is the fullflow filter @ 25,000 and keep going. The bypass is good until it clogs or 60,000 miles.
Even if your oil is good to go further, then the only thing you would change is the fullflow filter @ 25,000 and keep going. The bypass is good until it clogs or 60,000 miles.
Without going into details to avoid arguments....All I am gonna say is, switching from the FS2500 to the Amsoil Dual Remote set-up is a poooooooooor move. I recommend you keep the FS2500 because I whole heartedly belive it is one of the better bypass units versus the amsoil Dual remote set-up which i believe is one of the worse set-ups.
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To what are you basing this comment? The insoluables at 0.3? I don't think you can back up your statement based soley on the data you have provided. I see no soot level mentioned. I see no particle count mentioned.quote:
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The visual soot level FS claims to be able to remove this soot visualy this is not so.
Are you assuming the FS-2500 is not working because of the insoluable level? If so, you need to do a search in the UOA section and look up the Amsoil bypass setups. I could not find one that did not have some insoluable level. I believe the lowest was 0.2 and if my memory serves me....it was on a short OCI. So, if your changing because of that....bad move. If, not... please elaborate.
I also believe the dual set up is not the best which I am thinking of using the bmk-11 which is set up differently.
And I do not want to argue either.
[/QUOTE]To what are you basing this comment? The insoluables at 0.3? I don't think you can back up your statement based soley on the data you have provided. I see no soot level mentioned. I see no particle count mentioned.
Are you assuming the FS-2500 is not working because of the insoluable level? If so, you need to do a search in the UOA section and look up the Amsoil bypass setups. I could not find one that did not have some insoluable level. I believe the lowest was 0.2 and if my memory serves me....it was on a short OCI. So, if your changing because of that....bad move. If, not... please elaborate. [/QB][/QUOTE]
I was hoping the new Eao bi-pass would do a better job.
Are you assuming the FS-2500 is not working because of the insoluable level? If so, you need to do a search in the UOA section and look up the Amsoil bypass setups. I could not find one that did not have some insoluable level. I believe the lowest was 0.2 and if my memory serves me....it was on a short OCI. So, if your changing because of that....bad move. If, not... please elaborate. [/QB][/QUOTE]
I was hoping the new Eao bi-pass would do a better job.
The amsoil dose boast a better efficiency and the BMK-11 should be an easy switch from the fs-2500. watch the mounting angle get as near to vertical as possible all thou amsoil recommends mounting out to 45 deg from vertical . if you use the bigger bp-110 there is a lot of weight hanging off the mount and in rough road conditions this can bend the mounting flange and cause the filter to leak.
and do not use the BMK-16Ea as this filter, fittings and hoses will not provide enough flow for the Ford PSD (although amsoil recommends it).
and do not use the BMK-16Ea as this filter, fittings and hoses will not provide enough flow for the Ford PSD (although amsoil recommends it).
I did post Eao filter and I meant Eabp as a bi-pass filter.
I am glad I posted this as it has help a lot.
Thanks Bill
I am glad I posted this as it has help a lot.
Thanks Bill
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