nicholas, that is a reduction of more than 20%. Are you sure about it? How well was the car taken care of, before adding Cermax? I have noticed the smoother thing and the engines performing better than before. I also see a reduction in fuelconsumption, but not as high as 20% .
Cermax seem to work
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Well I think it is unfortunate that he got ban. There was at least some potential to maybe get some info from him, but I never did get an MSDS. I bet his offer went over the line.
Yes I know it is quite an amazing number.......,
we dont really know the condition of the car before , it was used.......,
When she got it , I put in a full bottle of redline SL-1, and changed the spark plugs,also did a good old fashioned oil flush with kerosene., drove the car for 4,000kms., then did an oil change last week and added the cermax...., the two tank fulls after the cermax is when I noticed the change the gas comsumption.
The oil I have been using is 10w30 el cheapo wal-mart oil.
$8 for 4 litres..
we dont really know the condition of the car before , it was used.......,
When she got it , I put in a full bottle of redline SL-1, and changed the spark plugs,also did a good old fashioned oil flush with kerosene., drove the car for 4,000kms., then did an oil change last week and added the cermax...., the two tank fulls after the cermax is when I noticed the change the gas comsumption.
The oil I have been using is 10w30 el cheapo wal-mart oil.
$8 for 4 litres..
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He probably got banned due to not being a site sponsor. Sure, he wasn't here to allegedly promote the product, but it's hard not to attempt to cultivate business. That essentially means that he's sorta getting a free ride on BITOG ..which isn't going to happen for too long.
I'm sure it's not anything that he said/posted. It's who he is. The owner of a commercial enterprise.
I'm sure it's not anything that he said/posted. It's who he is. The owner of a commercial enterprise.
How much does it cost being a site sponsor?
Besides being a sponsor or not, I have a meaning that we, the members, should be allowed to get the best possible information, not only about excisting products, but also about new, but not so well known products.
Besides being a sponsor or not, I have a meaning that we, the members, should be allowed to get the best possible information, not only about excisting products, but also about new, but not so well known products.
Wow,
If its not Auto-RX, or an AMSOIL porduct then it must be snake oil...!
Alot has changed on this forum .........,
"Someone keeps deleating my posts...!", this is the 3rd time I have posted this. !
Banning the owner of a product , is just silly.
It is an open forum........, there is a product that actually works, and is getting some attention, just because he is not a sponsor he gets banned........, free speech indeed ...........!
If its not Auto-RX, or an AMSOIL porduct then it must be snake oil...!
Alot has changed on this forum .........,
"Someone keeps deleating my posts...!", this is the 3rd time I have posted this. !
Banning the owner of a product , is just silly.
It is an open forum........, there is a product that actually works, and is getting some attention, just because he is not a sponsor he gets banned........, free speech indeed ...........!
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nicholas: This is a private forum that grants access to the public via membership. It's not a democracy. It's a commercial enterprise.
I was a mod in the past. There was never any "guardianship" over site sponsors ...written or implied by the owner. Pablo, as well as Michael before I took over the position, have had Amsoil bashed to all heck. The ownership is also not just going to invite any swinging outfit to take up sponsorship.
So, relax. The authoritarian conspiracy theory is nothing more than dealing with certain rules and chronic nuisances. Trust me. If someone is banned ..it's usually because there's no reason for anyone to put up with it. In the case of a (would be) promoter, it's usually to discuss some guidelines of conduct before it gets beyond a certain point. Tony was a very wise man ..but also had absolute dominion over his realm.
nicholas: This is a private forum that grants access to the public via membership. It's not a democracy. It's a commercial enterprise.
I was a mod in the past. There was never any "guardianship" over site sponsors ...written or implied by the owner. Pablo, as well as Michael before I took over the position, have had Amsoil bashed to all heck. The ownership is also not just going to invite any swinging outfit to take up sponsorship.
So, relax. The authoritarian conspiracy theory is nothing more than dealing with certain rules and chronic nuisances. Trust me. If someone is banned ..it's usually because there's no reason for anyone to put up with it. In the case of a (would be) promoter, it's usually to discuss some guidelines of conduct before it gets beyond a certain point. Tony was a very wise man ..but also had absolute dominion over his realm.
Well, well, if we cannot receive any firsthand information about this product, we just have to do it the old-fashioned way: just speculate about things we have no idea what is!!
This have been very effective to stop good products from being tested by members and bringing the results to others.
This have been very effective to stop good products from being tested by members and bringing the results to others.
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Not at all, jonny-b. Are you not testing it yourself ..and working with Terry Dyson? I'm sure that a few members will try the product and give their testimonials. Hopefully one of the heavyweights (Terry is one of them) will give commentary. We've got a membership spans many disciplines here. From metallurgy to chemistry ..to whatever. They'll examine the rhetoric on the site and comment if they see something that they feel is foul ..or needs more explanation.
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Well, right now, I'm just a moderate site sponsor
"This have been very effective to stop good products from being tested by members and bringing the results to others. "
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Absolutely, I have banned and shunned this product. No one is to test this product!
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Absolutely, I have banned and shunned this product. No one is to test this product!
I called Cermax Inc and spoke to the person under the name Cermax1, he promised that it would stop blow by and insoulubles etc.
I said well After the third oil change after the treatment.. when results are optimal, I would take a OUA and prove it.
He said if anything showed up, he would refund my money 100%
This way I can end the mystery to bitog and give some hard core evidence, a used oil analysis.
He tried to re-register under a different name and got denied and said he was thinking about becoming a site sponsor.
Some people should call.
I said well After the third oil change after the treatment.. when results are optimal, I would take a OUA and prove it.
He said if anything showed up, he would refund my money 100%
This way I can end the mystery to bitog and give some hard core evidence, a used oil analysis.
He tried to re-register under a different name and got denied and said he was thinking about becoming a site sponsor.
Some people should call.
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Well, here is some words from him:
One day ! I was on this board 1 day, and considered becoming a sponsor
although I wanted to think about it for more than one day!
If replying to a question is promotion? then something is wrong with
this forum. I came to the board on request from users of the board, and
not in an effort to promote anything! I do NOT have any commercial
interest in Cerma Technology or Cermax. I distribution rights to Cerma
last year, I am just the inventor of the product and since I have extra
time and was asked by board members and Cerma Technology to respond to
forum questions concerning the product (who better to answer questions).
Then when asked a question I respond with out saying (Cermax or Cerma
Tech is the greatest ever) or bad mouthing any other product, Just
answering or replying to a posted question and staying on topic of
question! They (sponsors) say self promotion? So in other words I cannot
answer directly any questions concerning Cermax with out promoting it!
(unless I pay money to do so) WHY WAS I ASKED TO COME TO THIS SITE?
Sounds stupid and controlled to me, definitely not a place to learn
about oil related products, except those supported by paid sponsors.
JM PS: msds is on site....... I am Sorry to all that wanted
to learn about this new concept of lubrication, I did not pay, so I
cannot play!
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If you want maybe ask these things of the board.... I can answer a
posted question if I am a user of the product in question , But not if
I am working for the product in question? Unless I pay!
THIS IS NOT FREE SPEECH, THIS IS NOT A PLACE TO OPENLY DISCUSS THINGS,
THIS IS NOT A PLACE TO SHARE OPINIONS FREELY. BOBS BOARD IS A PAY TO
PLAY FORUM !
If it was an open forum of users and opinions to share and express
feeling about any subject/product then it should not Censor what is
placed on the forums and by whom it is placed.
exception---within morality boundaries and is on topic of said forum.
One day ! I was on this board 1 day, and considered becoming a sponsor
although I wanted to think about it for more than one day!
If replying to a question is promotion? then something is wrong with
this forum. I came to the board on request from users of the board, and
not in an effort to promote anything! I do NOT have any commercial
interest in Cerma Technology or Cermax. I distribution rights to Cerma
last year, I am just the inventor of the product and since I have extra
time and was asked by board members and Cerma Technology to respond to
forum questions concerning the product (who better to answer questions).
Then when asked a question I respond with out saying (Cermax or Cerma
Tech is the greatest ever) or bad mouthing any other product, Just
answering or replying to a posted question and staying on topic of
question! They (sponsors) say self promotion? So in other words I cannot
answer directly any questions concerning Cermax with out promoting it!
(unless I pay money to do so) WHY WAS I ASKED TO COME TO THIS SITE?
Sounds stupid and controlled to me, definitely not a place to learn
about oil related products, except those supported by paid sponsors.
JM PS: msds is on site....... I am Sorry to all that wanted
to learn about this new concept of lubrication, I did not pay, so I
cannot play!
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If you want maybe ask these things of the board.... I can answer a
posted question if I am a user of the product in question , But not if
I am working for the product in question? Unless I pay!
THIS IS NOT FREE SPEECH, THIS IS NOT A PLACE TO OPENLY DISCUSS THINGS,
THIS IS NOT A PLACE TO SHARE OPINIONS FREELY. BOBS BOARD IS A PAY TO
PLAY FORUM !
If it was an open forum of users and opinions to share and express
feeling about any subject/product then it should not Censor what is
placed on the forums and by whom it is placed.
exception---within morality boundaries and is on topic of said forum.
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O.K. we are going where I really would like to stay away from, If you have questions Like those posted prior, Please do your homework, Then if you cannot find the answers ask! A liquid can Be 100% solids !!! It would mean that there are Zero Carriers and only the one (1) product/Chemical within the structure.
Second answer : Have you heard of phase change??? Cermax Is a liquid until it meets the required things to start the phase change to a hard solid material without meeting with the required things Cermax stays a liquid, 3 possible states occur with cermax. To explain further would give those that want to figure out the workings and chemical makeup, To much information.
Again, I will state for those of you that would like to be chemists and question each and every CLAIM or statement within the Patent, Please don't! as I have stated before Patents are for Lawyers and in reality hold very little information that can be used or for that matter Understood in such a form of reporting, Patents are very mis leading to those not skilled in the art that is being described.
I will not respond to any further questions based from information derived from Patent. Sorry to sound so grumpy !
JMand stop
Are you a new sponser of BITOG? That is pretty rude to attack a long time BITOGer. Tempest has some respect around here and is not a troll. By definition your a troll, 7 posts about your own product and nothing else all the while attacking someone here, NOT GOOD. You may or may not have a good product, but I'd work on your people skills my friend.
Sorry Jonny it looked like you had a positive experience with the product, but common that guy was way out of bounds in my opinion. I'd say the same thing if someone was attacking you for asking questions as you always have good posts too. Just uncalled for, let him sell his stuff somewhere else.
If you want results that won't fail clean your engine with Auto-Rx and use AMSOIL don't want AMSOIL go with Schaeffer's Moly. All these products have MSDS Information so you know what your putting in your engine.Products with patents give you the number of the patent. Be an informed consumer.
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