Castrol TWS 10w60 1200 mi break-in BMW M3

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Here is a uoa (done by Polaris Labs) of the factory fill from a 2013 BMW M3. BMW requires the oil on M cars to be changed at the first 1200 mi. Thereafter the factory oci is 15k mi. The service fill for the M3 is Castrol Edge TWS 10w60, an oil made exclusively for some M cars. For comparison sake, the voa of the service fill is here: http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2989167#Post2989167.

I did the 1200 mi uoa primarily to dispel what I believe is the myth of the need to "wash out" wear metals during the break-in. The fact that BMW requires a 1200 mi drain of the factory fill on M cars has led many owners of other non-M BMWs to believe that it is necessary/prudent to likewise drain the factory fill at 1200 mi, even tho BMW does not require it.

Here's the data (elements reported in the uoa as 0 are omitted):

iron 19 ppm
aluminum 4 ppm
copper 47 ppm
tin 3 ppm
silicon 6 ppm
sodium 7 ppm
potassium 8 ppm
moly 4 ppm
manganese 2 ppm
boron 4 ppm
magnesium 882 ppm
calcium 1151 ppm
barium 2 ppm
phosphorous 859 ppm
zinc 902 ppm

fuel dilution 1.5 %
vis at 100 C 11.4
TBN 8.54
oxidation 7 abs/cm
nitration 9 abs/cm

Polaris flagged copper as abnormal and viscosity as critical.

My own comments:
First, I think it is a mistake to assume that the factory fill is identical to the service fill. In some cases the factory fill may be made by an entirely different lube mfr (e.g. FUCHS "The factory fill specialist"). If you compare this uoa to the TWS voa, it seems to be a different formulation, for whatever that's worth. I can't tell if the factory fill is some sort of special break-in oil or not. I expected that the anti-wear pack in the uoa would be stronger. I have read that the AW pack in some break-in oils is made of "fast burn" zddp that is more volatile and activates faster to lay down the protective film of phosphates. The downside is that the fast burn zddp goes out the tailpipe faster. Would that account for the relatively low zddp in this uoa?

As far as wear metals are concerned, I believe the metals of most concern in this or any uoa would be iron and silicon (if from dirt). They are both hard elements that in high concentrations could make the oil abrasive and cause abnormal wear of the softer metals such as lead - - and thus justify an early drain . The wear metals in the report are well within limits (lead is 0) - - with the possible exception of copper. But every uoa from a BMW that I've ever seen has shown relatively high copper, even as the engine ages. I believe that much of it is from the oil cooler, which on the M3 is quite large - - about three or four times the size of the oil coolers even on the turbo BMW inline sixes.

The thing that really surprised me is the viscosity at 100 degrees C of 11.4, which is a thick 30 weight. That would be abnormal or critical IF the factory fill was the normal TWS, but I don't think the factory fill was originally a 10w60. Even with the fuel dilution (which is within limits), I don't think a 60 weight would thin out to that degree in just 1200 miles.
 
Originally Posted By: m6pwr
First, I think it is a mistake to assume that the factory fill is identical to the service fill.

I agree. The factory fill may have been some thick Xw-30 grade.
 
I agree with your comments and think you're probably right. I don't know much about the fast burn zdp, but that's interesting.
 
The viscosity looks identical to Syntec 10W30,as does the add pack. I'd never even considering doing 15K oci's,especially in an expensive car like that.
 
UOA's only detect extremely small size, ~<5 micron. PQ index would be necessary to make an accurate assessment. It's not irrelevant that BMW calls for such an early initial oil change.
 
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Originally Posted By: Quattro Pete
Originally Posted By: m6pwr
First, I think it is a mistake to assume that the factory fill is identical to the service fill.

I agree. The factory fill may have been some thick Xw-30 grade.


The rumor mill seems to think that the factory fill is actually a dino 5w30.

Either way, M cars have unique race-derived motors and they do have some special requirements, such as the 1200 mile service and weird TWS oil, among other things.
 
Originally Posted By: dparm
The rumor mill seems to think that the factory fill is actually a dino 5w30.

And maybe that's the real reason why BMW wants you to change it at 1200 miles.
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Originally Posted By: Quattro Pete
Originally Posted By: dparm
The rumor mill seems to think that the factory fill is actually a dino 5w30.

And maybe that's the real reason why BMW wants you to change it at 1200 miles.
smile.gif


Yes it is interesting that the FF is a 30wt oil and it may as well be a dino with a 1200 OCI.

I would presume that BMW doesn't recommend driving flat out on the Autobahn during the first 1200 miles.

It also goes to show that you don't need to run a such heavy oil as TWS 10W-60 if you drive your M3 like your grand mother.
 
Originally Posted By: vinu_neuro
UOA's only detect extremely small size, ~div>


I agree that PQ analysis would give a fuller picture of ferrous wear, and I definitely don't think the mandated 1200 mi oil change ON THE M3 is irrelevant. I wouldn't dream of skipping it. I just don't think it is mandated to wash out wear metals.

The other side of the coin is that BMW says the non-M cars can go the full monty all the way to 15k before their first oil change. Sometimes the OLM will say take it to 18k mi. Changing the factory fill at 1200 mi on non-M cars may be irrelevant.

I'm naive. I think BMW knows what they're doing. One of the testing organizations BMW uses in Germany to establish their maintenance schedules is ISP. They use radio isotope trace technology to measure wear. Check out http://www.isp-testing.com/en/.
 
Originally Posted By: CATERHAM
Originally Posted By: Quattro Pete
Originally Posted By: dparm
The rumor mill seems to think that the factory fill is actually a dino 5w30.

And maybe that's the real reason why BMW wants you to change it at 1200 miles.
smile.gif


Yes it is interesting that the FF is a 30wt oil and it may as well be a dino with a 1200 OCI.

I would presume that BMW doesn't recommend driving flat out on the Autobahn during the first 1200 miles.

It also goes to show that you don't need to run a such heavy oil as TWS 10W-60 if you drive your M3 like your grand mother.


Yes, BMW says no wide open throttle and keep the rpms below 5500 for the first 1200 mi. on the M3. In other words, drive like your grand mother.
 
Hi,
m6pwr - I can confirm that BMW also uses third party engine tuners in engine development and prototype testing. They also work very closely with Castrol De at all levels

In the last couple of years I had the opportunity to catch up with some of those involved on these issues, at the Nurburgring

I did a lot of early development testing of the initial (70s-80s) Castrol Formula R synthetic 15w-50 (API "SE") (later to become 10w-60) with Castrol and petrol and diesel engine manufacturers. This included greatly extended OCIs for instance. I worked with the 10w-60 versions too of course
 
Originally Posted By: m6pwr
Yes, BMW says no wide open throttle and keep the rpms below 5500 for the first 1200 mi. on the M3. In other words, drive like your grand mother.

Isn't there also some programming on this new M3 that keeps the power reduced during those first 1200 miles?
 
Originally Posted By: Quattro Pete
Originally Posted By: m6pwr
Yes, BMW says no wide open throttle and keep the rpms below 5500 for the first 1200 mi. on the M3. In other words, drive like your grand mother.

Isn't there also some programming on this new M3 that keeps the power reduced during those first 1200 miles?


What you might be referring to is a white band around the circumference of the tach. I can't remember the name of the thing, but its purpose is to show the acceptable rev limit at various engine temps. It moves as the engine gradually warms up. At cold start I think the band is around 6 thousand rpms, believe it or not. If you try to exceed that limit, or whatever the white band is showing at any particular temp, the ecu will limit the power/throttle. When fully warmed up you can hit 8400 rpm. I think this gizmo works beyond just the first 1200 mi. Me, I'm a wimp. I would never cane a cold engine at the rpms allowed.

There is also a semicircular ring of LED lights just above the tach that work like you see on a Formula 1 car. As you stand on it, the lights strobe from green to yellow to red - - as the red mist takes over.
 
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The owner's manual for the V10 M5, which is the baseline design and donor of many key parts (like pistons and rods) used in the V8 M3 engine, says that the factory fill is a special low viscosity mineral oil that has to be changed at 1200 miles.

Presumably it's the same for the M3.

And no, there's no rev limiter changes in the M3 engine at the 1200 mile service. THERE IS A CHANGE at delivery - there is a "transport mode" that's set at the factory before shipment that limits the RPM so that truck drivers and their swampers don't blow the cars up by playing with them.
 
There is indeed a transport mode used until the cars get to the dealerships. It rev limits them to about 3000rpm to avoid abuse from dock workers, truck drivers, or other non-BMW employees.
 
Thanks everyone for your comments. I've learned quite a bit from this thread. Never knew that there's such a thing as "transport mode". Unfortunately I think the sales dept of most dealers kill that thing the minute the car is delivered to inventory. I've road tested many new BMWs over the years and I've never had the salesman caution me to use common sense and a little bit of restraint when I got behind the wheel. Usually, quite the opposite.

Doug Hillary: Thanks for your input. You might be interested (appalled?) to read a thread that's going on right now over on one of the M3 forums about the right oil to use in the M3. All kinds of advice. One guy uses Redline 5w30 street oil mixed with Redline 40 weight racing oil. Another got a ton of Mobil 1 15w50 on sale at Walmart. My favorite: One man has inside info that TWS is actually re-branded Shell Rotella T. Did you know that? See what you're missing.
 
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Originally Posted By: CATERHAM
Originally Posted By: m6pwr
You might be interested (appalled?) to read a thread that's going on right now over on one of the M3 forums about the right oil to use in the M3. All kinds of advice. One guy uses Redline 5w30 street oil mixed with Redline 40 weight racing oil.

You can find it right here on BITOG:
http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2995183&page=1


Chaque a son gout.
 
Hi,
m6pwr - Over several decades I have had the pleasure of working with some German Manufacturers on product development – electronic fuel injection, diesel engines, mechanical and air suspensions and transmissions

I’ve also worked similarly with Japanese, English and American Manufacturers

In my case I found that the Germans do their initial development up to marketplace introduction very well. Later I found their product development based on marketplace performance was cautious, slow, measured and continuous!

In one case we isolated about 20 issues with a heavy high speed diesel engine (initially 400hp - finally 500hp). I experimented at the same time feeding all data to Germany. Some of the issues isolated were lubricant viscosity/specification, sump size, fan type and operating speed, turbo position etc. They rejected all of our 20 issues as marketplace fixes. During the next year all 20 issues and a few others too, were fixed on-line in Germany as we had suggested,. The engine then became super reliable.

In another case a heavy vehicle axle manufacturer had a serious in-service issue – an axle from a fully stabilised tri-group could simply fall out under severe conditions. Being innovative we fixed this and advised Germany at the same time suppling drawings of the modifications. They simply wouldn’t/couldn’t believe it! They flew their Senior Development Engineer out to Cairns and he was driven from there to Sydney (around 3000kms) to experience a typical journey of that era first hand. He was amazed and when he came to my office in Sydney and reviewed what we had devised he immediately advised Germany by telephone and telex to implement a “fix” package and approved the on-line implementation of our initial fix components

So I’ve found that the German (and Japanese Manufacturers too) in particular have always jealously guarded their “national” expertise. In the end they like to make the decisions and to be seen to do so – even if the ideas aren’t their own! As well their product development is second to none IMO!

Some of the world’s most innovative lubricants, especially synthetics, have been devised in Germany – and Castrol have (were) always at the forefront!

In the case of BMW and Castrol their joint recommendation of lubricants is second to none. Minor tweaks can of course be made by those with the expertise of CATERHAM. Such people are few and far between!

Stick with what BMW recommend……………………………

And yes, initial break-in lubricants are used by certain Manufacturers. It's been this way for decades
 
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