Am I limited to stock and K&N. Advance Auto is having a sale so I just ordered the K&N. Car is a 2001 TL
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Cant find EAO or a AEM Dry flow for Acura TL
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they dont make one for a 2001 TL
Originally Posted By: bigbull2984
Am I limited to stock and K&N. Advance Auto is having a sale so I just ordered the K&N. Car is a 2001 TL
Assuming your 01 uses the same airbox as the 06, you will get 0hp gain from the K&N. I've already done it and switched back to factory. All you get for your money is 0hp and worse filtration.
Am I limited to stock and K&N. Advance Auto is having a sale so I just ordered the K&N. Car is a 2001 TL
Assuming your 01 uses the same airbox as the 06, you will get 0hp gain from the K&N. I've already done it and switched back to factory. All you get for your money is 0hp and worse filtration.
Im using an AFE Pro Dry right now and was amazed at the construction of it. Perfect tight seal in the airbox, the filtration media was consistent and it was very well made (no "holes" or brighter area's when put up to the light).
I do notice a difference at higher RPM's and so far I have seemed to get a slight increase in MPG so far based off avg. speeds and my MPG. Too early though to confirm that but so far so good.
I do notice a difference at higher RPM's and so far I have seemed to get a slight increase in MPG so far based off avg. speeds and my MPG. Too early though to confirm that but so far so good.
Originally Posted By: xBa380
Im using an AFE Pro Dry right now and was amazed at the construction of it. Perfect tight seal in the airbox, the filtration media was consistent and it was very well made (no "holes" or brighter area's when put up to the light).
I do notice a difference at higher RPM's and so far I have seemed to get a slight increase in MPG so far based off avg. speeds and my MPG. Too early though to confirm that but so far so good.
It's impossible to get better mpg from a filter.
Im using an AFE Pro Dry right now and was amazed at the construction of it. Perfect tight seal in the airbox, the filtration media was consistent and it was very well made (no "holes" or brighter area's when put up to the light).
I do notice a difference at higher RPM's and so far I have seemed to get a slight increase in MPG so far based off avg. speeds and my MPG. Too early though to confirm that but so far so good.
It's impossible to get better mpg from a filter.
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Originally Posted By: BuickGN
Originally Posted By: xBa380
Im using an AFE Pro Dry right now and was amazed at the construction of it. Perfect tight seal in the airbox, the filtration media was consistent and it was very well made (no "holes" or brighter area's when put up to the light).
I do notice a difference at higher RPM's and so far I have seemed to get a slight increase in MPG so far based off avg. speeds and my MPG. Too early though to confirm that but so far so good.
It's impossible to get better mpg from a filter.
If you are talking forced induction, you may be right. Or if you are talking about an intake system where the filter accounts for <5% of flow restriction, you may be right. There are definitely situations where a filter can and will improve gas mileage.
Originally Posted By: xBa380
Im using an AFE Pro Dry right now and was amazed at the construction of it. Perfect tight seal in the airbox, the filtration media was consistent and it was very well made (no "holes" or brighter area's when put up to the light).
I do notice a difference at higher RPM's and so far I have seemed to get a slight increase in MPG so far based off avg. speeds and my MPG. Too early though to confirm that but so far so good.
It's impossible to get better mpg from a filter.
If you are talking forced induction, you may be right. Or if you are talking about an intake system where the filter accounts for <5% of flow restriction, you may be right. There are definitely situations where a filter can and will improve gas mileage.
Originally Posted By: badtlc
Originally Posted By: BuickGN
Originally Posted By: xBa380
Im using an AFE Pro Dry right now and was amazed at the construction of it. Perfect tight seal in the airbox, the filtration media was consistent and it was very well made (no "holes" or brighter area's when put up to the light).
I do notice a difference at higher RPM's and so far I have seemed to get a slight increase in MPG so far based off avg. speeds and my MPG. Too early though to confirm that but so far so good.
It's impossible to get better mpg from a filter.
If you are talking forced induction, you may be right. Or if you are talking about an intake system where the filter accounts for div>
The only way this can happen is on an old carbureted car, with the restriction causing it to go rich. On an injected car, AF stays the same no matter what thanks to the 02 sensor.
If the filter restricts airflow, the car makes less power, it doesn't affect mileage. If the filter caused it to get bad gas mileage, imagine what a partially closed throttlebody would do to mileage.
Originally Posted By: BuickGN
Originally Posted By: xBa380
Im using an AFE Pro Dry right now and was amazed at the construction of it. Perfect tight seal in the airbox, the filtration media was consistent and it was very well made (no "holes" or brighter area's when put up to the light).
I do notice a difference at higher RPM's and so far I have seemed to get a slight increase in MPG so far based off avg. speeds and my MPG. Too early though to confirm that but so far so good.
It's impossible to get better mpg from a filter.
If you are talking forced induction, you may be right. Or if you are talking about an intake system where the filter accounts for div>
The only way this can happen is on an old carbureted car, with the restriction causing it to go rich. On an injected car, AF stays the same no matter what thanks to the 02 sensor.
If the filter restricts airflow, the car makes less power, it doesn't affect mileage. If the filter caused it to get bad gas mileage, imagine what a partially closed throttlebody would do to mileage.
The EFI can only adjust the air fuel ratio so much. Doubt you will gain anything from an aftermarket air filter.
Originally Posted By: Steve S
The EFI can only adjust the air fuel ratio so much. Doubt you will gain anything from an aftermarket air filter.
I doubt it would need to adjust at all. A mass air car would just have less air going in so it wouldn't be a correction by the 02. I can't imagine the filter offers any restriction during normal driving at 1/2 pedal or less. People claiming better mpg on freeway trips when the throttle is cracked maybe 15% is insane.
The EFI can only adjust the air fuel ratio so much. Doubt you will gain anything from an aftermarket air filter.
I doubt it would need to adjust at all. A mass air car would just have less air going in so it wouldn't be a correction by the 02. I can't imagine the filter offers any restriction during normal driving at 1/2 pedal or less. People claiming better mpg on freeway trips when the throttle is cracked maybe 15% is insane.
Like I said, I am just recording as much data as I can and any changes that happen. I know you wont really see improvement in MPG at all, but im just saying from MY records, comparing a few different MPG readings and average speed, the latest with the new filter is a few .XX higher. I am not talking any noticeable difference or anything and know it is most likely just external factors for sure.
I do however feel more power at higher RPM's. But that is the only thing you will ever benefit or notice.
I do however feel more power at higher RPM's. But that is the only thing you will ever benefit or notice.
Originally Posted By: BuickGN
Originally Posted By: badtlc
Originally Posted By: BuickGN
Originally Posted By: xBa380
Im using an AFE Pro Dry right now and was amazed at the construction of it. Perfect tight seal in the airbox, the filtration media was consistent and it was very well made (no "holes" or brighter area's when put up to the light).
I do notice a difference at higher RPM's and so far I have seemed to get a slight increase in MPG so far based off avg. speeds and my MPG. Too early though to confirm that but so far so good.
It's impossible to get better mpg from a filter.
If you are talking forced induction, you may be right. Or if you are talking about an intake system where the filter accounts for div>
The only way this can happen is on an old carbureted car, with the restriction causing it to go rich. On an injected car, AF stays the same no matter what thanks to the 02 sensor.
If the filter restricts airflow, the car makes less power, it doesn't affect mileage. If the filter caused it to get bad gas mileage, imagine what a partially closed throttlebody would do to mileage.
Not quite. I'll let you figure it out. Just remember, you need to control both air flow and fuel flow to maintain a proper Fuel:air ratio AND proper power production. If you limit just one, you can only regulate fuel:air ratio OR power production, but not both.
Originally Posted By: badtlc
Originally Posted By: BuickGN
Originally Posted By: xBa380
Im using an AFE Pro Dry right now and was amazed at the construction of it. Perfect tight seal in the airbox, the filtration media was consistent and it was very well made (no "holes" or brighter area's when put up to the light).
I do notice a difference at higher RPM's and so far I have seemed to get a slight increase in MPG so far based off avg. speeds and my MPG. Too early though to confirm that but so far so good.
It's impossible to get better mpg from a filter.
If you are talking forced induction, you may be right. Or if you are talking about an intake system where the filter accounts for div>
The only way this can happen is on an old carbureted car, with the restriction causing it to go rich. On an injected car, AF stays the same no matter what thanks to the 02 sensor.
If the filter restricts airflow, the car makes less power, it doesn't affect mileage. If the filter caused it to get bad gas mileage, imagine what a partially closed throttlebody would do to mileage.
Not quite. I'll let you figure it out. Just remember, you need to control both air flow and fuel flow to maintain a proper Fuel:air ratio AND proper power production. If you limit just one, you can only regulate fuel:air ratio OR power production, but not both.
There's nothing more to figure out. First off, I doubt any airfilter is a restriction at less than 50% throttle. If it's not a restriction, tell me how changing to a higher flowing filter is going to help your mileage going down the freeway...
Now, just pretend the filter is a restriction at the super low throttle openings required to maintain a steady state speed. It is reducing airflow which the computer sees via the mass air meter. Nothing changes as far as the AF ratio. To compensate for the loss in power you open the throttle more to maintain speed. The computer sees the increase in air via the MAF. No correction required, no change in AF. The throttle is now open enough to allow the required amount of air in to make enough hp to maintain speed. If you put in a high flow filter, you would close the throttle a little to compensate and maintain speed. No matter what, whether the throttle has to be cracked open a little more or less, in the end you're getting the same amount of air in the motor to make the same hp.
All that is affected is potential power output. Fuel economy is unchanged. So many people assume that since exhaust can free up hp and mileage, an intake can too and that's just not true.
Now, just pretend the filter is a restriction at the super low throttle openings required to maintain a steady state speed. It is reducing airflow which the computer sees via the mass air meter. Nothing changes as far as the AF ratio. To compensate for the loss in power you open the throttle more to maintain speed. The computer sees the increase in air via the MAF. No correction required, no change in AF. The throttle is now open enough to allow the required amount of air in to make enough hp to maintain speed. If you put in a high flow filter, you would close the throttle a little to compensate and maintain speed. No matter what, whether the throttle has to be cracked open a little more or less, in the end you're getting the same amount of air in the motor to make the same hp.
All that is affected is potential power output. Fuel economy is unchanged. So many people assume that since exhaust can free up hp and mileage, an intake can too and that's just not true.
Originally Posted By: badtlc
I seriously think you need to take a few fluid dynamics class and get a better understanding of flow and restrictions. It is obvious I'm wasting my time.
That's an interesting series of words you strung together there, too bad they aren't applicable to the topic at hand.
I seriously think you need to take a few fluid dynamics class and get a better understanding of flow and restrictions. It is obvious I'm wasting my time.
That's an interesting series of words you strung together there, too bad they aren't applicable to the topic at hand.
Originally Posted By: badtlc
I seriously think you need to take a few fluid dynamics class and get a better understanding of flow and restrictions. It is obvious I'm wasting my time.
You're wasting your time because you don't get it.
Less air in= less power whether it's limited by the filter or throttlebody.
Going by your logic, we would all get worse mileage at part throttle than WOT.
Your logic is completely flawed. It doesn't matter where the restriction is coming from. Please, explain how less restriction gives better mileage.
I seriously think you need to take a few fluid dynamics class and get a better understanding of flow and restrictions. It is obvious I'm wasting my time.
You're wasting your time because you don't get it.
Less air in= less power whether it's limited by the filter or throttlebody.
Going by your logic, we would all get worse mileage at part throttle than WOT.
Your logic is completely flawed. It doesn't matter where the restriction is coming from. Please, explain how less restriction gives better mileage.
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