Maximize battery and using the “eco” mode and skipping heat and AC.
That being said a car is meant to serve you,but BITOG people seem to think that you should serve the car.
Can they get longer battery life and more range by reprogramming gas pedal/motor?
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That being said a car is meant to serve you,but BITOG people seem to think that you should serve the car.
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My Model 3 has “Chill” mode which slows it down a lot. Floored makes it about as fast as a basic 4 cylinder sedan.
Not sure about Eco mode in a EV - all that is keeps the AC compressor from kicking on and reprograms throttle if it’s anything like a Honda.
I think Tesla still uses a electric aux heater for heating in their HVAC, while Toyota just introduced heat pump HVAC in the Prius/RAV4 Prime. Will a heat pump be more efficient than a PTC? We’ll see.
Tesla now provide a heat pump in the current Model 3 and Y. My Kona also has one although they're not fitted in some global markets to manage price points.
I don't think the ECO mode disables it but the ECO+ certainly does.
In mild temps mine pulls around 300-600 watts on a continuous basis in heating mode, perhaps slightly more in cooling mode. A 5,000 watt PTC heater is also fitted to handle much lower ambient temps when the heat pump is ineffective. I'll never see that switch on in our climate.
I don't think the ECO mode disables it but the ECO+ certainly does.
In mild temps mine pulls around 300-600 watts on a continuous basis in heating mode, perhaps slightly more in cooling mode. A 5,000 watt PTC heater is also fitted to handle much lower ambient temps when the heat pump is ineffective. I'll never see that switch on in our climate.
Does not seem to make a bunch of difference in range though. It takes a certain amount of energy to push a car down the road.
1/3 more energy density, due to the elimination of the conventional cathode. Otherwise, many current experimental ones are simply a lithium battery with the same number of ions as always, just a bit physically smaller due to the above. Nearly all SS batteries being developed operate at 180 deg F. This may not be an ideal EV solution. There are some interesting developments with stabilizing Sulfur in a SS battery,,, but once again, it's not as large a jump in energy density as claimed. going from 350wh/kg to as much as 500 (in the lab). But remember when we configure it to be rechargeable, with large conductors, the energy density goes back down to the playpen we are in now.
Toyota was holding their breath for an SSB. Li-Ion/Li-Polymer is the current tech but not without fire risks in certain scenarios. They want a “build it, sell it and forget it” approach like they did with the Prius - air-cooled NiMH designed to operated at reasonable ambient temps(but batteries will die sooner in Texas or Arizona heat) and no water/glycol cooling loop.
I dont understand how the government can mandate mpg but not miles per kwh in a battery powered car. Energy is not free either way. If you are big brother than limit the effective hp of electric cars to the same point as a honda civic. Then overall less energy will be used causing less polution and less natural gas to make electricity.
Seems odd to me that you can create a 1200 hp electric car with 80 mile range but if it runs on gasoline there are tons of gas guzzer taxes and federal punishments for the car company.
Just seems a huge double standard. Why are there not cafe requirements for electric cars as well.
Seems the tesla is currently more a high performance joy ride than an lower polution or lower energy use vehicle.. the way some people refer to electric cars they forget the vast amounts of water used for mining the lithium and all the other heavy metals required. The way tesla wants to build the battery into the chassis makes the car even less serviceable and consumer friendly. Scrap out a bunch of 100 thousand dollar vehicles because you cant service the battery seems like a terrible idea. Tesla will not sell me parts or allow me software to fix a tesla car. Guess they think they own it forever.
Broken plastic connector on a cooling line or a single bad battery cell. Tesla wont fix it, just swap it out for 7000 or 12000 . If you get involved with these cars I hope you have a ton of money..
Seems odd to me that you can create a 1200 hp electric car with 80 mile range but if it runs on gasoline there are tons of gas guzzer taxes and federal punishments for the car company.
Just seems a huge double standard. Why are there not cafe requirements for electric cars as well.
Seems the tesla is currently more a high performance joy ride than an lower polution or lower energy use vehicle.. the way some people refer to electric cars they forget the vast amounts of water used for mining the lithium and all the other heavy metals required. The way tesla wants to build the battery into the chassis makes the car even less serviceable and consumer friendly. Scrap out a bunch of 100 thousand dollar vehicles because you cant service the battery seems like a terrible idea. Tesla will not sell me parts or allow me software to fix a tesla car. Guess they think they own it forever.
Broken plastic connector on a cooling line or a single bad battery cell. Tesla wont fix it, just swap it out for 7000 or 12000 . If you get involved with these cars I hope you have a ton of money..
What years have that?
Prius Prime has it from 2018, and the RAV4 Prime had it from the start.
Food for thought. Tesla currently rates their batteries for 300,000 - 500,000 miles. While yes you could squeeze out more life by changing the throttle mapping, why would you?EV acceleration is known to be quick and instant, even without ludicrous mode. So my question is, can they program it somehow to give less acceleration, something similar to a gas engine car's acceleration, and would that help prolong battery life and extend range?
Extended range means the battery doesn't have to be charged as often, which means longer battery life.
At this point when naysayers wax on about battery replacement costs as a negative for EV's the reality is that it's a lot less of an issue.
Regardless of the charging source EV"s are exponentially cleaner than a comparable ICE. When you consider the pollution generated via manufacturing EV's come out ahead at around year 3-4 and continue to pull away by a wide margin. The issue with ICE is that unlike an EV physics prevents you from being able to drive a 500hp ICE in such a way so that you would get the same mpg as a 180 hp 4-cylinder.
As for repair costs? Well that's an issue with Tesla. I don't expect you'll have the same problems with legacy automakers.
I think the fallacy is "hopefully" one day we will be able to use non fossil fuel energy like hydro or solar or wind, but at the moment they cannot quantify this unless they know where you get your electricity from.
