Can I run two 6K mile OCI's...

[charbaby]

...with a PureOne Oil Filter.

My wifes '01 1mzfe engine has just 6K miles on this OCI, using 2qts PP and 3qts dino. I am thinking of just draining the oil and replacing with the same blend minus what the filter is holding. So, I'll be adding 4.5-5 qts.

Yes, I do have more filters in my stash so, the supply isn't an issue but, I have many more qts of oil. I sometimes do this but typicaly want the new filter for the start of winter rather than summer. Am I wrong?

 

[Donald]

Unless its a beater, I would always change the filter.

 

[pbm]

Originally Posted By: Donald
Unless its a beater, I would always change the filter.


Ditto. Filters are cheap and Toyota filters are small.

 

[toneydoc]

Put in a new filter. Cheap compared to potential problems.

 

[charbaby]

THAT'S IT!...I'M CHANGING THE OIL FILTER TOO, LOL

You guys are right, what was I thinking?

Don't answer that!

 

[Chris Meutsch]

Can you do it? Sure. I do 10k runs on my PP filters.
Should you? Eh, if the engine is free of major dirt, OK.
I still would change it.

 

[fdcg27]

I have never run a filter through two OCIs.
I've always considered oil filters too cheap to bother to try to run them through two OCIs.
However, judging from some of the cut open P1s we've seen on here, as well as the fact that I'm sure you've done regular oil changes, so the engine should be clean, you could probably do it.
Did you buy your P1s last summer with AAP coupon code and MIR?
If so, they were pretty cheap, and although you say that you have more oil than filters, there will probably be more filter deals to come this summer.
The current Purolator MIR is but a pallid imitation of what was offered last year, so I think better deals will be forthcoming.

 

[hypervish]

Originally Posted By: Char Baby
THAT'S IT!...I'M CHANGING THE OIL FILTER TOO, LOL

You guys are right, what was I thinking?

Don't answer that!


The location of the oil filter... lol

The correct question is, what was Toyota thinking when they put that darn filter right under the exhaust manifold. Once the engine is cold it's easy to get to, but it makes a mess, as the oil just pools up on the engine mount and all of the cracks and crevices.

 

[Sayjac]

Was going to chime in earlier, but it seemed the OP had already made up his mind. With others commenting since, here is my thoughts.

I don't think you are wrong to consider it. In many/most Honda's this is the OM/MM recommended practice with any filter, and the P1 is up to the task, imo. And, you being a long time member here I'm sure the engine is well maintained, another point to say go for it. Also, you said you have done it in the past.

One other factor, I did notice this engine is on the sludger list. But, the oil filter only holds ~ >8oz, and the 10241/3614 is a decent size filter. If you have been running 6k oci's, some with two oci's on the filter, and having satisfactory results, leaving the filter on two oci's occasionally shouldn't be a problem.

 

[gathermewool]

What does the owner's manual say to do? I don't see a problem using a good filter for two intervals. I'm also into practicality, not peace of mind, FWIW.

I just changed the oil (only the oil) in the '08 Civic yesterday. I got the whole change done, from drive on to drive off the lift, in 20 minutes. Having a little bit of darker oil mixing in from the filter was actually nice, since it made the after-oil-change reading pretty easy, where usually it's a pain with very-clear oil.

OCI: 6862 (5% on the MM)
Filter Change interval: 2X MM @ 5%
Filter: Fram Extended Guard (pretty decent size, I'm not sure the size of the filter really matters for a mere 12k interval, should that be your concern)

 

[Spector]

I used to this this 15 years ago, drain the filter and put it back on and never had a problem with it. A slight hassle and messy but 15 years ago and never had a problem. Way too much emphasis on what an oil filter can really accomplish IMO.

 

[Jason8691]

This guy went 135k on two filters. Im sure youll be fine going 12k. https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2602849&page=1

 

[Dave Hess]

Call me crazy but I got 15K miles on an oversized Purolator classic.

 

[charbaby]

Well, lots more info.

Yes, I have used the filter for 2 OCI's in the past on this and other vehicles. Mainly due to the filter being a PIA as "hypervish" has mentioned. But, also due to weather conditions and just wanting to get the oil changed without messing with the PIA filter.

Also, I have more P1 & Classics(from the last rebate) along with a boat load of oil.

Hi Sajac, long time!
Yeah, every filter I have cut open looked very good wheather is was used for 1 or 2 OCI so, I'm betting the P1 is up to the task as mentioned.

Years ago(60's-70's), we always changed the filter on the 2nd OCI. Then later on(80's-90's) was started changing the filter each OCI. Now/lately(and only once in awhile), I was moving back to changing the filter on the 2nd OCI with all engines as our OCI mileage has changed(lessened) in the past several years.

Although I am not confused, now I'm not sure what I'll do this time around just yet!


Just wanted the feeling of other members.

 

[gathermewool]

Originally Posted By: Spector
I used to this this 15 years ago, drain the filter and put it back on and never had a problem with it. A slight hassle and messy but 15 years ago and never had a problem. Way too much emphasis on what an oil filter can really accomplish IMO.


I just left the filter on. The Fram Extended Guard is a little bit bigger than the Honda Blue filter, but didn't seem to affect how much oil I added too much. I'd also fear damaging the ADBV or rubber o-ring.

IMO, most of the higher-end filters are more than capable of going for extended periods without degrading or reaching their holding capacity. Change, however, is gradual, and so long as there are the peace-of-mind types out there, people will still change their oil and filters more often than necessary, while those who barely maintain their vehicles at all drive by with that extra money in their pockets, and seemingly great-running vehicles! That's not to say this isn't risky, but does lead one to believe that we the few aren't necessarily doing any more right by our vehicles by overly maintaining them than those who do the absolute bare minimum.

With that said, some of us here know that our bad habit of overly maintaining our vehicles is more the result of an OCD tick or need for that gratification that only comes after some preventive car maintenance than peace of mind. I admit that this is how I used to be, but no longer...for the most part! haha While I've learned a lot here on BITOG and do try to get the most out of each PM, there are some things that probably get more attention than necessary, such as power steering fluid and ATF, but even those PM items are done at reasonable intervals (according to me!)

 

[circuitsmith]

I use filters for 2 OCIs, but that only amounts to ~4000 miles.
I change oil every 6 months and the filter once a year.

 

[crazyoildude]

i change my filters once a year on my car in that time i put on 6000 or so miles
I dont believe in changing the filter too often due to dry startup

 

[Gene K]

Would you run the filter 12,000 miles with an extended drain oil? If so then I see no reason not to leave it on.

 

[charbaby]

IDK if I'd run the OCI for 12K miles unless it was an engine that was less known for sludging. My 1mzfe has been very, very well maintained by me since new and I do trust that I can(now & again) run 6K miles OCI and(now & again) use the filter in question...twice!

Most of the OCI's have been ~ 4K miles, each with a new filter(mostly PuroPremPlus a.k.a. Classic).

Our driving style/traveling over the last few years, has slowed down consideribly. This current 6K miles on this OCI(Nov 2011) is just because we did some extra traveling during this past Christmas/New Year Holidays. But, we're down to ~ 6000 miles/year on our vehicles lately. We're just not driving as much!

Now, I am ready to change the oil, though it still looks very, very clean. So I may keep the filter in place and let it do it's JOB for the upcoming summer. I haven't given my "FINAL ANSWER" yet!

Fewer miles will be put on the car, this upcoming OCI as the summer car will be coming out soon and we'll be sharing all of our summer miles now, 3 ways/3 cars.

Almost seem like a waste having 3 cars. I've had as many as 5 cars on several occasions over the years but, I just can't keep up the maintenance on that many vehicles any longer.

We may only put on 3K miles on this upcoming OCI by this coming Oct-Nov!

 

[Jim Allen]

Char Baby: You are in a semi-unique position, being you have a sludger. My inclination was to say "run a 10-12K OCI" until you said that. You may still be able to do that but I would guess it would depend on how your vehicle is driven. If it's a short hopper, a long OCI is a kiss of death for a sludger. But I wouldn't be afraid to run two OCIs on one filter in your case, especially if the oil still looks pretty good right now. While I and many others have successfully removed, drained & reinstalled filters, there is an increased element of risk involved so I suggest leaving it in place. Of course the PITA of changing it is why you don't want to... so I guess that last comment was wasted bandwidth.