CAFE Standards Fines for Automakers Reduced to $0.00

[carl2591]

I actually think you're right!!

I put 10W40 in a '15 Subaru yesterday because it uses a lot of oil and she never checks it. There was something satisfying about pulling the filler cap labeled 0W20 and pouring in 10W40

not sure I would have gone with a 10w40 more like a 5w30..10w40 from a 0w-20 is a massive leap..

 

[SubieRubyRoo]

The thickies: well they recommend 5w30 now so 5w40 it is.

The thinnies: they recommend 5w30 now but the previous model had the same engine and called for 0w20. I don’t want to lose my 47mpg so 0w20 it is.

All jokes aside, this should be interesting.

Replacing 0w20 with 0w30 you’d probably drop all the way from 47mpg to 46.9mpg. It’s literally tenths of an MPG at operating temps at worst. Environmental factors will far exceed any noticeable attribute of going to a heavier grade. Heck, pump gas can vary 3-4% in energy; just that would be a nearly 2 mpg hit for you.

In the big picture, it’s all noise. Either the engine and vehicle are efficient, or they are not.

 

[SC Maintenance]

Since it’s a budget gimmick that could change in a year it won’t change anything on the oil recommend.

However it will likely make it harder to find an econo car which some OEM’s only sell as a loss leader to meet cafe for their fleet.

 

[John105]

Seriously, would that reward GM for their decision to continue with normally aspirated V8's, when others went turbo V6 and I6? (again DFM and 6.2 are totally separate discussions)

 

[Starving Electrician]

Since it’s a budget gimmick that could change in a year it won’t change anything on the oil recommend.

However it will likely make it harder to find an econo car which some OEM’s only sell as a loss leader to meet cafe for their fleet.

I think the lack of small vehicles are more due to other regulations. There are certain minimums in equipment that cars have to have now, and crash standards they have to meet. Its hard to cut a decent profit when you are putting all of that into a economy car.

I feel with consumers wanting small simple cars that are inexpensive and easy to maintain we would have them if they were legal to sell. The thing is they aren't.

 

[John105]

Since buyers rarely seem to take an analytical approach to buying a new vehicle, but rather tend toward an emotional one they are easily pushed into buying something far larger, heavier and thirstier than what would actually suit their needs.

Is this like when people order the max and advanced trailering packages, don't own a trailer, and use hitch view to align the bike rack (our Tahoe order).

To contrast, in Oct 2006 when I ordered the 2007 BMW, I kept it to functional options. Sport package (gave staggered tires, sport seats, engine oil cooler, sport shocks), comfort access, and cold weather. No navigation, no satellite, no 19" rims, etc. Here it is 2025, I drive it daily, have to select my own gears, and turn my head over my right shoulder, to backup. I'm fine with that.

It really depends, is all I'm saying. If a person says let's buy a car on Saturday morning, and get it done so there's still time to go to the shore for the weekend, yes, that's emotion. imho ordering a car removes some, but not all, of the emotion. It most certainly removes the instant gratification aspect. As I've learned with GM, there's a chance an order is accepted, then canceled. Not only with Corvette, but with Tahoes.

 

[Snagglefoot]

Section 110101 : No tax on tips. Bonus.

 

[Starving Electrician]

Section 110101 : No tax on tips. Bonus.

No tax on the half from time and a half on overtime either.

 

[John105]

No tax on the half from time and a half on overtime either.

I'm salaried but I am for that. First of all, there was always a myth, "I don't want to work overtime, it all goes to taxes." If you can believe it, some people say the same about their annual bonus. Would it be better to not get that bonus?

The reality is, taxes are reconciled every year, by April 15 or thereabouts. So more than likely the above contributes to a refund scenario.

If flat out removing part of the tax on overtime, encourages people to work overtime, that's a win win. People work more, society benefits, and they have more money in their pockets. Beautiful.

What we have now is people not wanting to work. They want to be home on company time, shopping at costco, doing car repair, kids sports, dentist, etc. The thing that is interesting, is, they are completely transparent that they are doing these things. Even to their coworkers (me) who are 4, soon to be 5 days in the office. They see their 5-15 hour work week as something they earned. It's not sustainable. Look at things now, there are layoffs happening.

 

[Snagglefoot]

So is this the end of DFM, AFM and Start Stop?

 

[6.7 CTD]

Replacing 0w20 with 0w30 you’d probably drop all the way from 47mpg to 46.9mpg. It’s literally tenths of an MPG at operating temps at worst. Environmental factors will far exceed any noticeable attribute of going to a heavier grade. Heck, pump gas can vary 3-4% in energy; just that would be a nearly 2 mpg hit for you.

In the big picture, it’s all noise. Either the engine and vehicle are efficient, or they are not.

Yes, my comment was made in jest. I’m personally not concerned with fuel economy. Our Camry recommends 0w16, and it gets a diet of HPL 0w30/5w30

 

[fdcg27]

Need:

Want:

Even if the buyer will never tow anything, never have more than four riding in it and certainly never go off-road, doesn't matter.
As the old marketing saying goes, sell the sizzle not the steak.

 

[kschachn]

So is this the end of DFM, AFM and Start Stop?

This is an important question. All the low-hanging fruit in the quest for ever vanishing improvements was gone years ago. Now we are saddled with expensive and increasingly complex schemes that cost the consumer money rather than being an actual benefit. Manufactures are chasing EPA mileage ratings rather than providing the consumer with a reliable vehicle.