BYD 1,000 mile range PHEV

[BMWTurboDzl]

Per WSJ BYD is launching two new sedans with a 1,000 mile range.

"
Chinese automaker BYD is rolling out cars capable of driving more than 1,300 miles without refueling or recharging, its latest effort to set itself apart from rivals in the world’s largest auto market.

The world’s biggest maker of electric vehicles late Tuesday launched two plug-in hybrid sedans with upgraded powertrains that it said give both a driving range of more than 2,100 kilometers, or more than 1,306 miles, on a full tank and full battery. That’s roughly the distance between New York City and Miami – a drive along I-95 that can take 19 hours.

Prices of the models, called the Qin L DM-i and the Seal 06 DM-i, start at 99,800 yuan ($13,775.21) and run up to 139,800 yuan, relatively low prices for the sedan segment in China.
The new powertrains are BYD’s fifth iteration since it launched its first plug-in hybrid model in 2008. The new versions cut fuel consumption to 2.9 liters per 100 kilometers, down from 3.8 liters per 100 kilometers in the previous version three years ago.
BYD’s Hong Kong-listed shares rose 5.3% Wednesday, making them the top gainer among Hang Seng Index constituents. Shenzhen-listed shares closed 8.35% higher, their largest one-day rise since September 2021.
Warren Buffett-backed BYD has been on a tear in recent months, passing Tesla as the world’s largest seller of electric vehicles, unveiling a Ferrari-esque sports car and its first pickups, and continuing to grow its top line and bottom line, despite ongoing price wars and stiff competition in China, the world’s most crowded EV market."

 

[Cujet]

Like so many other claims, 1000 mile range is possible with just about any fuel powered vehicles, even at today's speeds. But the energy carried aboard must be significant. Published efficiency numbers are relatively meaningless, as it takes a certain amount of energy to do a specific amount of work. Period, end of story.

I do the I-95 east coast trip all the time. One of the trucks could do 1350 miles with just one fuel stop around the NC/SC border. 36 gallons, 21MPG. Add in 200 miles of real world highway EV range with a 200kWh battery, and make the tank 60 gallons, and even an hypothetical plug in hybrid F150 could do it.

I've done the 1350 mile trip in rental Prius' too. I get about 45MPG with my driving style, in those. A Plug in Prius with a 30 gal tank could do it.

But let's be honest here. The Prius is, with it's 41% thermally efficient engine, and slippery shape, is pretty darn close to "as good as it gets" with regard to energy use per mile, for a truly practical car, in real world situations.

My point is this, BYD won't achieve 1000 mile real-world USA interstate range without carrying a lot of fuel.

 

[Trav]

They are claiming 2.9 ltr/100km or 81 mpg for a hybrid so it seems feasible with 13 gallons of gas. If the quality is halfway decent and it gets 75% or more of the claimed range it should be a best seller.

 

[atikovi]

Just what we need. Plutonium powered Chinese cars tooling along at 75 mph on our highways.

 

[PandaBear]

Just what we need. Plutonium powered Chinese cars tooling along at 75 mph on our highways.

Consider a portion of heat generated in ANY nuclear reactor would be from the fast neutron breed plutonium, every grid powered electronics and EVs are partially plutonium powered.

75mph is a good speed every highway should be set its speed limit to in good weather and low traffic, I have no problem with that.

Your problem is more of a Chinese car rather than plutonium powered.

 

[PandaBear]

Like so many other claims, 1000 mile range is possible with just about any fuel powered vehicles, even at today's speeds. But the energy carried aboard must be significant. Published efficiency numbers are relatively meaningless, as it takes a certain amount of energy to do a specific amount of work. Period, end of story.

I do the I-95 east coast trip all the time. One of the trucks could do 1350 miles with just one fuel stop around the NC/SC border. 36 gallons, 21MPG. Add in 200 miles of real world highway EV range with a 200kWh battery, and make the tank 60 gallons, and even an hypothetical plug in hybrid F150 could do it.

I've done the 1350 mile trip in rental Prius' too. I get about 45MPG with my driving style, in those. A Plug in Prius with a 30 gal tank could do it.

But let's be honest here. The Prius is, with it's 41% thermally efficient engine, and slippery shape, is pretty darn close to "as good as it gets" with regard to energy use per mile, for a truly practical car, in real world situations.

My point is this, BYD won't achieve 1000 mile real-world USA interstate range without carrying a lot of fuel.

There is no point in 1000 mile range in a liquid fuel vehicle because a human bladder last about 300 miles give or take, that's why we design our fuel tank to be about 300 miles in passenger cars.

 

[Trav]

Tesla and others also uses their batteries.

BYD's Blade batteries power Tesla, Ford, Kia, Hyundai, Toyota, and other popular electric vehicles from major automakers.

 

[cptbarkey]

There is no point in 1000 mile range in a liquid fuel vehicle because a human bladder last about 300 miles give or take, that's why we design our fuel tank to be about 300 miles in passenger cars.

Have a seat, let me tell you how to recycle milk jugs. If BYD actually shows up in the US with such a product, I might be interested.

 

[PandaBear]

Have a seat, let me tell you how to recycle milk jugs. If BYD actually shows up in the US with such a product, I might be interested.

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[TumblrDucks]

Chinese hybrid/EV benefit a lot from expired Toyota/Honda patent since 2017/2019.

Like so many other claims, 1000 mile range is possible with just about any fuel powered vehicles, even at today's speeds. But the energy carried aboard must be significant. Published efficiency numbers are relatively meaningless, as it takes a certain amount of energy to do a specific amount of work. Period, end of story.

I do the I-95 east coast trip all the time. One of the trucks could do 1350 miles with just one fuel stop around the NC/SC border. 36 gallons, 21MPG. Add in 200 miles of real world highway EV range with a 200kWh battery, and make the tank 60 gallons, and even an hypothetical plug in hybrid F150 could do it.

I've done the 1350 mile trip in rental Prius' too. I get about 45MPG with my driving style, in those. A Plug in Prius with a 30 gal tank could do it.

But let's be honest here. The Prius is, with it's 41% thermally efficient engine, and slippery shape, is pretty darn close to "as good as it gets" with regard to energy use per mile, for a truly practical car, in real world situations.

My point is this, BYD won't achieve 1000 mile real-world USA interstate range without carrying a lot of fuel.

Agree. BYD doesn't mention which range test standard they follow. Usually that means max range under most ideal condition (like 50mph constant cruise), not actual range in realistic setting.
Also, the car weights 1.6 ton, that will be 3200lbs, that's suspiciously light for a PHEV with dozens of kilowatt-hour battery on board. Even regular Camry & Accord hybrid all have curb weight around 3400+ lbs.

 

[Cujet]

They are claiming 81 mpg for a hybrid so it seems feasible with 13 gallons of gas.

I guess that was my point. 81MPG is not possible, even at a wildly improbable 51% thermal efficiency, the typical Carnot limit for gasoline engines.

What is just barely possible, is a real world 50MPG at 75+MPH. With a handful of free miles from the battery.

It takes a certain amount of energy to do a specific amount of work. Pushing a loaded car down the highway, is a well known quantity.

 

[Vercingetorix]

This wouldn’t even be a thing if it said Toyota had a 1000 mile range.

 

[Zee09]

There is no point in 1000 mile range in a liquid fuel vehicle because a human bladder last about 300 miles give or take, that's why we design our fuel tank to be about 300 miles in passenger cars.

Wow...I do 970 miles with no bladder break.
Been doing it for decades...

 

[DirectRejection]

2015 Passat TDI. 5Speed MT.
Huge fuel tank.
Geared to cruise at~1200RPM.
Mild hypermiling.
1000 mile range.

Saw a BYD bus today.
Right in front of Meta Headquarters.
Slo-o-o-w.
Get out of the way !!!

Hacks me off.
Gillig is a client.
W/Cummins.

 

[Snagglefoot]

Wow...I do 970 miles with no bladder break.
Been doing it for decades...

I’ll be right back. Hold that thought.

 

[gman2304]

Wow...I do 970 miles with no bladder break.
Been doing it for decades...

Why….?

 

[Torrid]

Why….?

I'm assuming he's like me. I hate stops. I don't like spending extra time traveling. I do it so rarely that I just want to get the long drives over with. These days if I'm doing that my family is with me and they all want to stop more, as in we'll stop even more than we'd need to charge. The 1000 mile range stuff is cool and all, but I don't think I'd benefit from it these days. The longest I did was 700 miles.

 

[gman2304]

I'm assuming he's like me. I hate stops. I don't like spending extra time traveling. I do it so rarely that I just want to get the long drives over with. These days if I'm doing that my family is with me and they all want to stop more, as in we'll stop even more than we'd need to charge. The 1000 mile range stuff is cool and all, but I don't think I'd benefit from it these days. The longest I did was 700 miles.

I drove class 8 trucks for 45 years mostly in the paper logs era when everyone would have 2 log books, one for show and one for go. My mantra was, for every minute I’m stopped I could be 1 mile further down the road! Having said that, I’ve wet many 24.5 tires on exit ramps by slipping between the fuel tanks and the front drive tires to ‘ squirt the dirt ‘ and then keep on truckin! Takes all of 5 minutes to accomplish! Yes, it’s against the law and I knew a co worker who got caught taking a break at 2:00 am on an off ramp by a S.C state trooper but was issued a warning ticket for ‘loitering! In all those decades and miles I can’t ever remember driving 1,000 miles without a pee break. It would have to be painful.

 

[Zee09]

I'm assuming he's like me. I hate stops. I don't like spending extra time traveling. I do it so rarely that I just want to get the long drives over with. These days if I'm doing that my family is with me and they all want to stop more, as in we'll stop even more than we'd need to charge. The 1000 mile range stuff is cool and all, but I don't think I'd benefit from it these days. The longest I did was 700 miles.

Yup. Also worked construction for years and may go 10 to 12 hrs as no bathrooms around.
Also I only go when I have to. No torture here

 

[97prizm]

Per WSJ BYD is launching two new sedans with a 1,000 mile range.

"
Chinese automaker BYD is rolling out cars capable of driving more than 1,300 miles without refueling or recharging, its latest effort to set itself apart from rivals in the world’s largest auto market.

The world’s biggest maker of electric vehicles late Tuesday launched two plug-in hybrid sedans with upgraded powertrains that it said give both a driving range of more than 2,100 kilometers, or more than 1,306 miles, on a full tank and full battery. That’s roughly the distance between New York City and Miami – a drive along I-95 that can take 19 hours.

Prices of the models, called the Qin L DM-i and the Seal 06 DM-i, start at 99,800 yuan ($13,775.21) and run up to 139,800 yuan, relatively low prices for the sedan segment in China.
The new powertrains are BYD’s fifth iteration since it launched its first plug-in hybrid model in 2008. The new versions cut fuel consumption to 2.9 liters per 100 kilometers, down from 3.8 liters per 100 kilometers in the previous version three years ago.
BYD’s Hong Kong-listed shares rose 5.3% Wednesday, making them the top gainer among Hang Seng Index constituents. Shenzhen-listed shares closed 8.35% higher, their largest one-day rise since September 2021.
Warren Buffett-backed BYD has been on a tear in recent months, passing Tesla as the world’s largest seller of electric vehicles, unveiling a Ferrari-esque sports car and its first pickups, and continuing to grow its top line and bottom line, despite ongoing price wars and stiff competition in China, the world’s most crowded EV market."

What types of certified testing does China require for ev's? Is the testing closer to the USA requirements which are more stringent than the Euro certification test.