It seems that whenever a political issue is posted here, it quickly descends to name calling and insults. I am one of the few on this site who is not a Bush supporter. What I would like to see is a single post detailing why Bush is good, on all subjects, without using fear mongering, lies, or innuendo. Specifics and proof must be used, you can't say "the world is safer with Saddam gone." Prove it. I am not a democrat or any other label (in 2000 I voted Republican), I genuinely want to know the truth.
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Bush isn't good on all subjects.
But he is "Almost good enough" on many.
http://www.ucomics.com/boondocks/2004/03/22/
http://www.ucomics.com/boondocks/2004/03/23/
http://www.ucomics.com/boondocks/2004/03/24/
http://www.ucomics.com/boondocks/2004/03/25/
http://www.ucomics.com/boondocks/2004/03/26/
http://www.ucomics.com/boondocks/2004/03/27/
Bush is good... Wait is this the sex or is it the politics forum...
This was sent to me from a friend in NC.
(Now a word of caution because I'm not positive these numbers are
precise) but if I read it correctly, there were 39 combat related
killings in Iraq during the month of January..... in the fair city of
Detroit (Michigan) there were 35 murders in the month of January. That's
one American city folks, about as deadly as the entire war torn country
of Iraq!
Worst president in history?
The following appeared in the Durham, NC local paper as a letter to the
editor. Please forward to all on your list as this will put things in
perspective:
Liberals claim President Bush shouldn't have started this war. They
complain about his prosecution of it. One liberal recently claimed Bush
was the worst president in U.S. history. Let's clear up one point: We
didn't start the war on terror. Try to remember, it was started by
terrorists BEFORE 9/11. Let's look at the "worst" president and
mismanagement claims.
FDR led us into World War II. Germany never attacked us: Japan did. From
1941-1945, 450,000 lives were lost, an average of
112,500 per year.
Truman finished that war and started one in Korea, North Korea never
attacked us. From 1950-1953, 55,000 lives were lost, an average of
18,333 per year.
John F. Kennedy started the Vietnam conflict in 1962. Vietnam never
attacked us. I think history might show Eisenhower committed the troups
and Kennedy was honoring that commitment.
Johnson turned Vietnam into a quagmire. From 1965-1975, 58,000 lives
were lost, an average of 5,800 per year.
Clinton went to war in Bosnia without UN or French consent, Bosnia never
attacked us. He was offered Osama bin Laden's head on a platter three
times by Sudan and did nothing. Osama has attacked us on multiple
occasions.
In the two years since terrorists attacked us, President Bush has
liberated two countries, crushed the Taliban, crippled al-Qaida, put
nuclear inspectors in Lybia, Iran and North Korea without firing a shot,
and captured a terrorist who slaughtered 300,000 of his own people. We
lost 600 soldiers, an average of 300 a year. Bush did all this abroad
while not allowing another terrorist attack at home.
Worst president in history? Come on!
The Democrats are complaining about how long the war is taking, but...
It took less time to take Iraq than it took Janet Reno to take the
Branch Davidian compound. That was a 51 day operation.
We've been looking for evidence of chemical weapons in Iraq for less
time than it took Hillary Clinton to find the Rose Law Firm billing
records.
It took less time for the 3rd Infantry Division and the Marines to
destroy the Medina Republican Guard than it took Teddy Kennedy to call
the police after his Oldsmobile sank at Chappaquiddick.
It took less time to take Iraq than it took to count the votes in
Florida!!!!
(Now a word of caution because I'm not positive these numbers are
precise) but if I read it correctly, there were 39 combat related
killings in Iraq during the month of January..... in the fair city of
Detroit (Michigan) there were 35 murders in the month of January. That's
one American city folks, about as deadly as the entire war torn country
of Iraq!
Worst president in history?
The following appeared in the Durham, NC local paper as a letter to the
editor. Please forward to all on your list as this will put things in
perspective:
Liberals claim President Bush shouldn't have started this war. They
complain about his prosecution of it. One liberal recently claimed Bush
was the worst president in U.S. history. Let's clear up one point: We
didn't start the war on terror. Try to remember, it was started by
terrorists BEFORE 9/11. Let's look at the "worst" president and
mismanagement claims.
FDR led us into World War II. Germany never attacked us: Japan did. From
1941-1945, 450,000 lives were lost, an average of
112,500 per year.
Truman finished that war and started one in Korea, North Korea never
attacked us. From 1950-1953, 55,000 lives were lost, an average of
18,333 per year.
John F. Kennedy started the Vietnam conflict in 1962. Vietnam never
attacked us. I think history might show Eisenhower committed the troups
and Kennedy was honoring that commitment.
Johnson turned Vietnam into a quagmire. From 1965-1975, 58,000 lives
were lost, an average of 5,800 per year.
Clinton went to war in Bosnia without UN or French consent, Bosnia never
attacked us. He was offered Osama bin Laden's head on a platter three
times by Sudan and did nothing. Osama has attacked us on multiple
occasions.
In the two years since terrorists attacked us, President Bush has
liberated two countries, crushed the Taliban, crippled al-Qaida, put
nuclear inspectors in Lybia, Iran and North Korea without firing a shot,
and captured a terrorist who slaughtered 300,000 of his own people. We
lost 600 soldiers, an average of 300 a year. Bush did all this abroad
while not allowing another terrorist attack at home.
Worst president in history? Come on!
The Democrats are complaining about how long the war is taking, but...
It took less time to take Iraq than it took Janet Reno to take the
Branch Davidian compound. That was a 51 day operation.
We've been looking for evidence of chemical weapons in Iraq for less
time than it took Hillary Clinton to find the Rose Law Firm billing
records.
It took less time for the 3rd Infantry Division and the Marines to
destroy the Medina Republican Guard than it took Teddy Kennedy to call
the police after his Oldsmobile sank at Chappaquiddick.
It took less time to take Iraq than it took to count the votes in
Florida!!!!
Since that number looks about right for US military deaths, That makes it sound like you don't place any value on Iraqi lives.
Assuming your numbers are right, that's 39 out of about 100,000 US military in Iraq, or 39/100,000
For Detroit that would be 35 out of about 1,000,000 or 3.5/100,000.
So the combat death rate for US soldiers in Iraq is about 11 times as high as the murder rate in Detroit.
PILL used the classic "Clinton Got a Hummer" defense. Brilliant!
"Bush isn't the worst president we've ever had! Get real! Other guys fifty, sixty, and seventy years ago messed up, too! So that makes Bush's policies better! And let's not forget Monica Lewinsky! That makes Bush AWESOME!"
"Bush isn't the worst president we've ever had! Get real! Other guys fifty, sixty, and seventy years ago messed up, too! So that makes Bush's policies better! And let's not forget Monica Lewinsky! That makes Bush AWESOME!"
Buster, the so called Bush Basher, will be voting for Bush. While I don't agree with some of the things he has done, at the end of the day I think he is the better of the two and better for the economy. Most of my posts are to encourage debate and look at things from the other side. When it's all conservative, it loses it's appeal and objectivity. Kerry is too left for me and I think we need to stay the course now that we've entered a new era of pre-emption. Sometimes it's better to just go with the flow.....
[ March 30, 2004, 06:15 PM: Message edited by: buster ]
[ March 30, 2004, 06:15 PM: Message edited by: buster ]
Oh man, I walked into that one.
Prrpill, I appreciate the post, but that thing you quoted is laced with rampant, inflammatory innacuracy.
One example; Kennedy did not start the Viet Nam war, I don't know who did, but we were invested in that "war" in the early to mid fifties, well before Kennedy was Pres. Also, if Al Quaeda was crushed, then perhaps we can dismantle the Homeland Security division.
Keep it coming fellas.
Buster you are sending the wrong message!!
To all who are voting for Bush because he's lesser of two evils, I suggest you reconsider. If you are sick of politics as usual I would look at the Libertarian canditates and vote for one! Send the right message!! The worst that will happen is we end up in gridlock again with a dem pres and rep congress, but at least the message will be sent. Hopefully more people will continue to hear it. Gov't growth with rep congress and pres is out of control. This is nuts. Don't let it continue.
To all who are voting for Bush because he's lesser of two evils, I suggest you reconsider. If you are sick of politics as usual I would look at the Libertarian canditates and vote for one! Send the right message!! The worst that will happen is we end up in gridlock again with a dem pres and rep congress, but at least the message will be sent. Hopefully more people will continue to hear it. Gov't growth with rep congress and pres is out of control. This is nuts. Don't let it continue.
Bush is president. Maybe we need to ask the Kerry supporters for proof that we should replace Bush with Kerry. Of course, I would want the same sort of factual backing of the reasons, none of this Bush lied about WMD crap. i.e., prove Saddam didn't have a WMD program.
I would settle for just proving that one of Kerry's ideas to curb gas prices would work. Looks like smoke and mirrors to me.
I would settle for just proving that one of Kerry's ideas to curb gas prices would work. Looks like smoke and mirrors to me.
Case in point. Here come the insults and name calling. Read my original post please.
While you're at, it re-read your own post. Prove Saddam didn't have WMD??? It has been proven, by the 100% inability to find anything suspicious. If there was even the smallest clue that they did exist at the time we went to war, you know that Bush would remind us every day of that fact. But, they've been looking for how long now, with nothing.
Incidentally, the gas prices are at record high right now, during Bush's administration, how in the name of God does that escape you? Kerry can't do anything right now, so we have to take his word. But Bush can do something, and hasn't.
[ March 30, 2004, 09:08 PM: Message edited by: nicrfe1370 ]
"...none of this Bush lied about WMD crap. i.e., prove Saddam didn't have a WMD program."
Who needs to find a WMD "program," let alone actual WMDs? Since the war, the standard has evidently been lowered even further to "WMD program-related activities." Not sure what that means, but apparently if Hussein acquired a 1957 copy of "How to Build a Nuclear Bomb in Your Own Garage" by Time Life Books, that would evidently constitute an "activity," and therefore justification for preemptive war. Seems a far cry from Rumsfeld's WMD comment of "We know where they are" on March 30th of last year, but politicians have to be flexible in their rationale for war, as well as other lies they tell, as circumstances change and the truth comes out.
Who needs to find a WMD "program," let alone actual WMDs? Since the war, the standard has evidently been lowered even further to "WMD program-related activities." Not sure what that means, but apparently if Hussein acquired a 1957 copy of "How to Build a Nuclear Bomb in Your Own Garage" by Time Life Books, that would evidently constitute an "activity," and therefore justification for preemptive war. Seems a far cry from Rumsfeld's WMD comment of "We know where they are" on March 30th of last year, but politicians have to be flexible in their rationale for war, as well as other lies they tell, as circumstances change and the truth comes out.
As far as gas prices, well most things are going to be at their highest price ever, it's called inflation, not saying Bush caused it or anything. Inflation is a fact of life, prices go up through the years, and actually adjusted for inflation gas prices are not all that crazy.
I also think that the the military death rate being ONLY 11 times higher in a war zone than in a peacetime city(Detroit) is not anywhere near as bad a number as it could be.
I also think that the the military death rate being ONLY 11 times higher in a war zone than in a peacetime city(Detroit) is not anywhere near as bad a number as it could be.
You're grasping DJ... if these gas prices are the result of inflation, they will be $40/gallon by year's end at this rate of inflation! Not that it will matter, since a Ford Focus will cost $200,000.
And really, isn't one dead American too many for a mistake?
And really, isn't one dead American too many for a mistake?
Your post is just the sort of flat out lie that makes me want to see the last of these political threads. You state there is no signs of WMD. What about the testimony of Kay to the CIA where he goes on and on about incriminating things he found? You think if you repeat it often enough, people will start to believe it?
You lie, lie, lie!
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